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bigswede #298863 02/20/17 07:52 PM
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Sweden has suffered from a surge in crimes like rape, robbery, murder and shootings with the mass immigration.
Now I like the inference made that refugees (a euphemism for Muslims) are subhuman scum who are predisposed to violence. If this sounds familiar, please read almost anything from neo-nazi sites (PC word is alt-right). Of course if one were to follow the impact of mass immigration then one may find the impact of poverty may actually be of far greater importance and in fact may be the root cause of purported rise in crime rate.

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Figures from the Swedish Crime Survey (SCS) show that exposure to crime has decreased since 2005. The number of convictions has remained between 110,000 and 130,000 in the 2000s — a decrease since the 1970s, when they numbered around 300,000 — despite the population growth

The real question and concern of Sweden is the social and governmental impact of immigration, which is very real.

I did read several right wing accounts and in each they disregard context to cherry pick facts which would support a racist right wing interpretation of Muslim immigration.


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Ah, good you found the Swedish Crime Service!
But they are not telling the complete truth. As I said earlier they recently announced they will change the way they report crime, since it's normal stats does not register names or decent.
Crimes among swedes has gone down. Crimes among most immigrants is low.
But there is a group of immigrants that live off crimes. There is also a group of immigrant that incites what is crimes in Sweden but not in their homelands. Those crimes are grossly underreported.

Not all of Sweden is equally affected, It is primarily the three major cities' suburbs, Stockholm about 1,5-2 million people counting the suburbs, Gothenburg 0.5-1 million and Malmo less than 0.5 million suffering. Counting per capita Malmo is hit worst and is the most immigrant settled city because it's on the southern border.
And, surprise! That's where these crimes abound! When police say it's out of hand it really does not matter what the bureaucrats say. The police, firefighters and ambulance personell are the ones with first hand knowledge. They acknowledge there are such no-go zones in Swedish suburbs where they don't go like they used to.

As to islam, it's a very poisonous religion. Read the koran, quran or how ever you want to spell it. I have read it cover to cover. It is nonsensical, non tolerant with a mission. It is written to be interpreted by clergy to fool the masses of a cult. It is simply not a religion fit for democracy.

The most invisible immigrants are the criminals. Because MSM can not admit they exist without exposing themselves to criticism from one another for being racist. So the rest of the Swedes must endure the siege until MSM sober up.

A sad state of affairs.


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If you read it you would know how to spell it. Quran, westernized Koran. Do you know what the Quran is?

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I am never amazed that people believe what they want without regard for facts.

Take for instance the "nogo crime zone" in Malmo. You no doubt believe it is a war zone with refugees killing at random children, elderly, or just any Swede. But it appears strange to me that when the local police are asked the question they always respond, there is no such thing.
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Malmö police, however, say there’s absolutely no truth to the idea of “no-go zones.” “It’s a question that appears every now and then,” police spokesperson Lars Förstell told BuzzFeed News. “It has never been true.”
https://www.buzzfeed.com/ishmaeldaro/no-go-zone-myth
Similar quotes can be found at every turn.

It is true Islamophobic right wing sites, routinely present disinformation meant to incite people such as yourself, so I implore you to do objective research and not rely on the "fake news" sites you frequent.

The only poison I see is your bigotry. Check your own words for sense, intolerance and agenda.





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Originally Posted by bigswede
As to islam, it's a very poisonous religion. Read the koran, quran or how ever you want to spell it. I have read it cover to cover. It is nonsensical, non tolerant with a mission. It is written to be interpreted by clergy to fool the masses of a cult. It is simply not a religion fit for democracy.
The same could be said about the Bible.

It is also nonsensical, full of intolerance, and traditionally interpreted by the clergy of a cult to fool the masses. It is also quite unsuitable for a democracy.

So what does that prove? We have to play the hand that we are dealt, and suppressing religious malarkey would create more problems than just letting the passage of time eliminate these silly religions, just as it has eliminated the worship of Zeus, Odin and Mithra.
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Our Swedish friend apparently woud have us believe that all the news coming out of Sweden in regards to immigrants is "fake news".
And the only way to get the truth is to read the Swedish version of Brietbart...


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Originally Posted by bigswede
...But they are not telling the complete truth...
Ah...yes. Only CONseratives know the truth about anything. More like "the truth" or as Kellyanne calls it: Alternative facts smile


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Originally Posted by Greger
Our Swedish friend apparently woud have us believe that all the news coming out of Sweden in regards to immigrants is "fake news".
And the only way to get the truth is to read the Swedish version of Brietbart...
Read the Swedish version of dead Andrew's blog for white supremacists and erectile dysfunctional males? No thank you. coffee


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Originally Posted by bigswede
As to islam, it's a very poisonous religion.
If Islam is 'poisonous' - so is Christianity and Judaism - because all three are Abrahamic religions with the very same God and "poems."


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Oh, well!
Had your fun?
Where to begin?
Funny thing, I was a classic liberal in the ways of J.S. Mill back in 1960. I haven't changed anything substantial since then. But now people feel OK calling me conservative. They must have moved the goalposts, a common practice among the left, like Josef Stalin & CO. Yes they've had lot of help from some of the MSM.

The Swedes seem to react just like the Americans did back in the 70's when my pa with a clear Swedish accent complained about Dicky Nixon. He got the "love it or leave it" speech.
The Swedes today seem to defend their own government's propaganda. That doesn't mean they actually believe it. They just don't want to be internationally ridiculed. Americans and Swedes alike.

There was a riot in Stockholm last night in the immigrant dense suburb of Rinkeby. Complete with car burnings, rock throwing at the police and a shot fired from the police into the crowd.
One elder immigrant, living there since 1972, said on national TV that these new immigrants can't be trusted, send them back, they are destroying our homes and our good life in Sweden.
All's well in Sweden? No, not by any normal measure!

As to islam, it sets itself apart very much from christianity and the New Testament. Read the dam thing (The Koran) if you can bear it all the way through!

Personally, I don't believe in any god or deity. Religion has, in my opinion, no place in the government of man, no place in a democratic society.


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