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NM is working on legislation that "goes far enough", except we have a moron Republican governor who will probably veto it.

I disagree... what they do best is destroy things.

and here we have the fundamental difference in political philosophies. I believe there exists a contractual agreement of which I am one part and the party of the second part is the federal government created as a result of me agreeing to the contract. In that agreement there is this line
. In other words while you ignore or reject the contract, I see the federal government has an obligation mandated by the contract to provide those services.

What services you ask? Ask yourself the question, does universal healthcare promote the general welfare? If you answer anything other than yes, disingenuous is the most charitable I can be.

The only question remaining is how it can be done.

This is a wonderful thing! The congress approval rating is at an all time low. Now, however, it seems that the log jams are all on the right. Perhaps there should be an approval rating by party? This is yet another nail in their (hopefully) coffin (a gift that just keeps on giving). Just think, in two months Trump has, yet again, been proven a known liar and the Republican congress can't even vaguely get together and do something.

Interesting times............

Vox has a really good explainer of the CBO analysis of Trumpcare. I'm noting this part:


Sucks to be you, grandma! Let's all watch that ad about Paul Ryan throwing grandma off a cliff again from 2011:

If we stop this now, we save future generations from hAving to pony up to support healthcare. If we don't, we commit financial genocide. The decision is really easy and should be obvious to the Republicans; do nothing and they bear no blame for the disaster that was Obama care. Do anything and take ownership of this very bad idea. Seems simple to me, and I am pretty sure it is going to happen, as long as you Dems stay on the Blame Trump sideline. Obama care was a bad idea, is a bad idea and will continue to be a bad idea. BTW, screw the party of the first part, the party of the second part, the party you forget to mention, doesn't want to underwrite the exploding premiums that were caused by the previous administration's bad judgement.

As much as I wish this were true it simply isn't so...


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One way or another future generations are going to have to pony up and pay for healthcare. Government can make it easier or harder. Or government can do nothing and it will inherently get harder until government has to do something to make it easier.

I think we are ignoring a very important fact here: Nobody thinks it is the federal government's responsibility to provide either health care or insurance.

What we are conflicted about is a set of laws and regulations that define how insurance has to work. Democrats say insurance has to be real insurance (everyone in the same pool, no exclusions, no caps) and Republicans say it should be any piece of crap the insurance companies want to sell (very selective pools, exclusions, and caps).

Well, we already had the Republican version of "insurance" for centuries and it gave us medical bankruptcies, closed hospitals, lack of rural care, very dangerous (to everybody) public health problems like homeless people walking around spreading TB, and so forth. Why would we want to go back to that non-functional model of laws and regulations?

It absolutely IS the federal government's duty to provide governance that counters the worst that businesses can do. By their very nature, businesses only purpose is to make money. Government has to supply their conscience because they have no incentive to do it themselves.

Au contraire, mon frere! Many of us think it is the federal government's responsibility to provide health care insurance. Our colleague in Massachusetts feels that each state should handle it individually, but insurance works best when the pool is largest. breaking it into 50 small groups would make it more expensive and less profitable for the insurance companies who would contract it out.
There always seems to be a disagreement about what is or is not the job of the federal government. We all agreed a long time ago that it's better to let the feds handle the military rather than breaking it into state militias and trying to organize them into a single fighting unit during times of war.
And we agree that certain aspects of government are best handled by cities, counties, or states.
Every citizen needs health insurance at least comparable to what Medicare provides. Who better to administer it than the giant bureaucracy that makes up the federal government?