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That's the obvious answer for all us left leaners. Somehow conservatives don't approve of it because...socialism?

It's weird: They're all hung up on Socialism but their guy in the White House is BFF's with the former head of the KGB.

Putin is not a socialist. He's a dictator. Trump and his fellow travelers are jealous and want to be like him or one of his oligarchs. It's an adolescent fantasy.

Says it's not so!!

Science bears this out as well:

Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice
Live Science.com

I don't think they see it as socialism par se but as government interference in what should be done by free market forces

The problem is the free market isn't sentient and so does not know it should provide low cost universal health insurance for profit.

Health insurance is not about getting somebody else (eg. the government) to pay your medical bills. It is about risk management. When you have it, you don't have to worry that you won't be able to afford the care you need.

The people who could get but don't are the same people who think they will win the lottery. Young people who think they are immortal. Older people who think they are in good health now, so they should continue to stay in good health. But we all die eventually, and almost none of us will be in good health and suddenly drop dead. That's like winning the lottery! Nice if it happens but don't plan your retirement around it. The house always wins.

Most people are lousy at risk management. We worry about things less likely than being hit by lightning twice and ignore likely causes of death or injury. It is so uncommon a skill that insurance companies have highly-trained actuaries who do nothing else but calculate the real odds of something bad happening to you. Yet another reason to pay for insurance: They know stuff you don't. Smart people recognize skills they don't have and hire an expert.

Well said, my friend. Opposition to "health care management" by right wing ideologues is not driven by a rational thought process. Indeed, if they thought about it, they would be all about providing it in a rational manner.

The only "death spiral" on display here, is that of the Republican party. It has been infected by a cancerous cabal of know-nothings who obstruct even the things they wish for. My hope, though, is that their fervent activity will kill any tax bill as well.

I consider the republican infighting to be a real opportunity for the left to point out that they are the logical, willing to work with others, party. I just don't get it. The Republicans continue with ads on tv pointing out their superiority, etc. The dems, however, just sit there, no ads, no nuth'in. I would assume that they are awash with money given that, at the end of the Hillary run they were actually charging for Hillary signs, rather than giving them to people to put out on their lawns. Seems to me they could be putting that hoard of money to good use right now.

The GOP’s War On Planned Parenthood Just Got Awkward

The azzhole who made the GOP's favorite video just got charged with 15 felonies. I wonder if they will stop promoting them now.

There is something very important that I think the Republicans in Congress are ignoring, at their own personal peril: On many issues, people either favor it or not in pretty mild ways. For example, if you change the tax code there will be some winners and some losers but it is just money. Nobody is going to show up at your home to kill you because of your vote.

But the Republican proposals for changes to the ACA WILL kill people. Lots of people. Especially the current idea of getting rid of the 10 essentials and throwing sick people out of the pool. Every time somebody dies because of this, somebody else is going to blame you. And they won't be mildly pissed off (like for the tax code change). They will be happy when somebody kills you. Some of them will be willing to do it themselves, and you know you just voted to make sure crazy people can buy guns. I'm thinking particularly of fathers after their kid dies, then their wife divorces them because she can't stand the grieving, and they think they have nothing left to live for. They will come and kill or injure you or your family, then kill themselves.

It is very important to keep in mind how much you will piss off some people when you pass a bill, because you are just painting a target on your back if you ignore that.

I am not making any kind of threat. I don't have any kids or inclination to kill anybody, and I'm on Medicare so I have no horse in this race. I just see this heading in a very ugly and stupid direction and I hope it doesn't happen.