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"If I had known it was going to be important, I would have payed more attention!" Its the lament of pro-Brexit and pro-T-rump voters, and for those who sat it out, thinking it was principled, to send a message to someone or something!


Re-referendum? Wernt we just discussing Mulligans, and lamenting that there is no do-over in the constitution to correct a corrupt and unfairly won election. Just as there seems to be no penalty for false accusations. The founders would not have considered a remedial claws, as this scale and manner of corruption also would not have occurred to them.

Anyway it reminds me of a song written by Otis Redding and made famous by Aretha Franklin. My friends and I were standing in line to get into the Otis Redding concert in Madison Wis 1967 when they announced his plane had crashed into Lake Monona. Sad!

Tat




Re Re Re Respect

UK public opinion seems against a second referendum. Only one small party (they were part of the last govt coalition and got destroyed) has publicly come out in favour of a vote based on the eventual terms.

More likely is that a general election might be held if there was a real groundswell for it. Would require a change to the fixed term parliament act. At this time the Labour opposition are in tatters and a victory for any remain camp is looking unlikely. It would also whip up some very unpleasant passions.

Scotland wont be allowed an indy referendum until after Brexit.

EU has rejected UK calls for parallel talks on the divorce arrangement and future trade matters. One before the other. Unless a transitional deal is agreed, UK will be out, trading on WTO rules March 28th 2019.

Trade is only a small part of it. There's 44 years of integration to untangle governing matters such as euratom - nuclear energy (and transport of spent fuel etc), open skies agreements for flights. There's a very long list.

Have I mentioned that the UK doesn't have any experienced international negotiators on these matters? They have been largely handled centrally by the EU. Not coincidentally the EU has loads of experienced negotiators. I read a report today that they have asked for the discussions to be held in French

Just to add to the complexity, not only does any agreement require ratification by the European Parliament, it also requires the agreement of each of the 27 remaining member states. Ireland would probably veto any arrangement that returned a hard border. Who knows what Spain will do regarding Gibraltar.

France and Germany will be hard line on maintaining the integrity of the single market and customs union - key benefits of the EU club and there is a political imperative that no leaving member should have those benefits.

I've seen people win at cards playing bad hands well. Ive never seen anyone win when they have no cards.

Conduct the negotiations in French! Never! No Real American, no real man, would stoop to mimic the incomprehensible utterances of the Surrender Monkeys!

No. Just like Mexico, China, Europe, and the loser Democrats will be scratching and bowing, hat in hand, before the Great Negotiator, hoping to be allowed some crumbs from the table, Europe will be begging England to just name the terms as long as they are not cut off from the British market or London banking.

Brexit: impossible means impossible

So the US and the UK will go down together due to stupid decisions at the ballot box.

Anyone who believes in the end of Anglo dominance of the world have a sad meeting with Reality in their future. The Almighty's choice can hardly come in second, much less fail completely.

No, get used to it, losers, the age of Trump has only just begun. As the Boss says: Are you tired of winning, yet?

So, so tired...

Me too!

I have been alternately reading all I need to know about Brexit from BBC
All ya need to know about Brexit and when that gets too ponderous, I switch over to More than you ever wanted to know about congressional reconciliation processes, constraints, conditions, and Byrd brain rules. I bet it would be a rare congress person that could pass a test on it.
More than you want about congressional reconciliation
There are so many contingencies and conditional situations that there is no logical correct answer. No problem with interpretation though, cause when disagreement occurs, the correct answer is determined by just voting on it. So basically once you get into jammed into reconciliation, the majority rules.

Likewise the conditions for Leaving Brexit are so ponderous as to prevent any sane country from even considering it. The process can go on for as many as seven years, but during that time the exiting country still has to abide by all the EU rules, trade, freedom of movement, etc, But, and its a big BUTT, after starting the process, that has just happened, the exiting country has no input whatever into the making or modifying the rules, and cant even be in the room where the discussions take place.

It seems that insanity is needed to willingly leave the EU or willingly enter into reconciliation as a minority party.

Just my read while fighting off comatose state, without even a single beer, which would have made even this effort impossible!

Tat

Oh FFS


not even a week since the letter and the crazy feckers are talking war. The right wing gutter press are lapping it up.

Madness. Where can I get off this ride?