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Originally Posted by Phil Hoskins
I was watching CNBC at market close (what to do while on the stairmaster at the gym with my favorite music playing but watch that -- the alterntaive was some dumb sopa opera) and the talking heads were rapturous about the magical "recovery" of today's market. Once down by 343 it rebounded and ended almost even.

In speaking about Countrywide, some pointed out they have used their reserves now so what happens if the financial markets continue to restrict credit for a prolonged period.

I am certainly no economist, but it just seems to be common sense that until the people of this country pay down their personal and governmental debts and reign in buying everything on credit hoping for a rosy tomorrow this economy is in deep doo doo.

The 11 Billion Dollar "line of credit" that Countrywide tapped into from 40 different banks was, from my understanding, the final line of defense for the company before bankruptcy. Countrywide, being the largest mortgage originator in the country, was not "suppose" to be at risk due to the structure of the company itself and the manner in which it originates and services its loan pools however, it appears that this liquidity crisis is much deeper then is being publicized in main stream media.

I have several friends in the Mortgage Securities Industry, and also in several brokerages...they are all very nervous, several are dumping their own holdings and "stocking" currency and precious metals now. The problem is that the government will continue to paint a pretty picture because it simply has no other choice. Once global confidence wanes on the U.S. economy then the proverbial "shite" will hit the fan and a massive dumping of U.S. securities will take place. As I have said for several years now, the economic dominos are stacked so close together now, it is nothing like it use to be when there was a degree of insulation and isolation between markets and national economies. The next few weeks will determine if we are only in a correction or if it is something far more sustantial and foreboding.

As you may recall in one of my post, I stated that we have been seeing cracks in the system for about a decade. "Stress Cracks", if you will, that point to the possibility that the economy is no longer able to sustain disruptions as it once was and that we are approaching the maximum lifespan of the fiat system, the foundation of the entire economic and social structure we have been induced into placing our faith, and unfortunately our futures.



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We now know that for now, Countrywide is safe. Of course to do that, America's financial juggernaut further endebted us to do so, but the credit situation seems to be impacting the economy.

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Home prices take a second-quarter plunge, reports show, and consumer confidence is also falling. Stocks close sharply lower.
By Annette Haddad, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
1:29 PM PDT, August 28, 2007
U.S. consumer sentiment took its sharpest plunge in nearly two years in August, and home prices declined at their fastest pace in two decades in the second quarter, according to reports that show the housing slump starting to weigh on the economy.

The weak economic news triggered a sell-off on Wall Street, where the Dow Jones industrial average closed down 279.88 points, or more than 2%, to 13,042.25. The Nasdaq, S&P 500 and other major financial indexes also closed sharply lower.

Home prices dropped 3.2% in the second quarter compared to the same period last year, according to the S&P/Case-Schiller quarterly index, which tracks price trends among existing single-family homes in key U.S. markets. It was the worst decline in the 20 years since the index was inaugurated.

"The pullback in the U.S. residential real estate market is showing no signs of slowing down," said Robert Shiller, chief economist at MacroMarkets, a division of Standard & Poor's that compiles the index.
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This is bad news for economic indicators but may show renewed fiscal responsibility by consumers:
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The ongoing pain in the housing sector — including higher monthly payments for some owners and declining home values for others — is persuading many Americans that buying a car is not a good idea right now, according to market research company CNW Marketing Research.

Recent polling by the company shows that nearly 18 percent of people in the market for a car or a truck are delaying their purchases because of home-related issues, up from 9 percent in 2006.
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Bump...

Had to look back to Aug 15 to read what I thought then, and to see if anything had changed...

Not a bit... While the markets may go up and down for a while, it looks like the media still doesn't have a clue as to just how serious this is...The talking heads on Bloomberg, CNBC, CNN etc.. talk all around the circle about jobs, mortgages and the FED cutting rates... The problem is so much deeper. The liquidity problem can't be solved by a 1% Fed rate cut or even a 2% rate cut.

The real problem is in the fact that our monetary system has lost liquidity, due to easing of margin requirements in Hedge Funds, and the reduction of the bank net worth assets required to be held in liquid instruments. The confidence crisis re the subprime securities has spilled over into what used to be a stable short term bond market. These securities (bonds) have suddenly become illiquid too.Now... the Yen is getting back down to $1.12.... the danger point that signals the possible crash of the YEN carry market.

It looks bad, but the worst is yet to come... maybe not this week, or month, or even this year, but the basic underlying problems point to recession in 2008, and very likely depression.

The money cheering section has been downgrading gold as a safe place to invest... This jawboning won't work, and my guess is that this may be the safest place to be over the long run. (My guess has been wrong before).

WATCH... for some leaking of information about the values of pension funds... The low profile of these potential losses tells me that the power brokers are keeping the losses quiet. (conspiracy theory). Ditto derivatives... of all sorts... Googling "news" for derivatives shows a strange vacuum right now. (more conspiracy theory).

Anyway... Stuff to watch for in the economy.
Originally Posted by itstarted
It looks like the media is finally doing some homework, and that they are beginning to understand what is happening in the economy. For some time now, I have been accusing the major media of hiding the truth about the markets, in order to satisfy big business. I've changed my mind, now, because it looks as if they really had no idea of how the markets work.

Here are some things that are happening, that you may expect to start seeing in the news.

Less talk about the subprime, and much more about the hedge funds and how they have been running under the radar. This means that a few more people may begin to understand the black box of derivatives, and how the lack of oversight has caused the entire market fall. The SEC as a cheerleader for business has now come to the fore, and to the credit of the Administration, they are refusing to bail out the big players.... The SEC had wanted to indemnify the hedge funds, and turnover the losses to the public... In effect Bush said he would not allow that. (Yeah, I know... I can't believe that myself.)

Recognition of the reality of inflation. From 2.3%, the real inflation is being recognized as about 7.5%. In fact, I believe that you may start hearing about 12% to 14% inflation... this year.
I believe that 15% to 20% may be reasonable by the end of 2008.

Remember the caution about the price of the Japanese YEN... The panic point was said to be $1.12... At that time, it looked to be well in the distance since the trade was at $1.22, and in fact looked to be going higher. In the past week or so, the trading has dropped to $1.16. While no one is talking about this right now, the Carry trade is in a wild panic. The effect of this potential problem on the Fed, could be catastrophic for US interests. Stay tuned, and watch the YEN.

Pension Funds... Notice that no one is even talking about this. That's because the people who run the Pension Funds don't know that they are paying for the current market drop. Fund values are only calculated at the end of the month, and unless the Fund Values reflect a mark to market, they may not know about the extent of their losses for several months. (Watch for Fund Directors' resignations).

The entire problem began with fast and easy trading of owed debt... (they call this "Credit")... The SEC was complicit with the big guys, and allowed the Black box Derivatives and Unlimited leverage... with NO oversight. Alan Greenspan was the Rasputin here. Credit him with keeping the balls up in the air for many many years, while the rich got richer, and the poor didn't know they would have to pay for it.

The bill for years of affluence is coming due. The guys who caused it are living in the Hamptons, on their yachts, or in Dubai.

Except for Americans who have already lost their jobs, the public is only now coming to the realization that their way of life may be seeing some changes. Jobs last, only as long as the companies who hire, are making money. With the current average rainy day savings standing at just over one month, trouble may be just over the horizon.


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The nation's economy will be so sluggish well into next year that any major hiccup could tip it into recession, UCLA's latest economic forecast predicts.

The end of easy credit and a further decline in home construction are sending the economy into a "near-recession," with growth hovering at just above 1% through the first three months of 2008, according to the UCLA Anderson Forecast to be released today.

The forecast presents a gloomier outlook for jobs and the housing market. The nation's unemployment rate will rise to 5.2% by mid-2008, up from the current 4.6%.

And home values will fall 10% to 15% from their peaks, the forecast says, meaning that sliding prices have yet to hit bottom.

"The small recent minimal declines represent not the end, but rather the beginning of what will be a very painful decline," David Shulman, author of the forecast, said in the report, referring to home prices.

Still, UCLA's prognosticators say the economy should narrowly avoid a formal recession -- that is, two consecutive quarters of negative growth. But analysts indicated that with economic currents shifting rapidly, there's no guarantee of a clean getaway.
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Gold settled at about $711 today, Oil hit a record hit of $80 pb, the dollar hit an all time low against other currencies, the credit liquidity crunch has spread beyond the subprime mortgage securities market, unemployment is up....unsuprisingly, the FED is catering to the needs of political expediency and will probably lower the discount rate to "stave off" recession. The problem is that there are simply too many economic dominos already aligned too closely...the FED is reaching into the darkness on the entire economy. Perhaps, if we are lucky, more and more people will finally understand just how damaging the FED policies really are to this country.


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Cold turkey for financial addiction
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They will discover that they and the speculators, high rollers and just plain gamblers in global finance have been indulging an addiction for which there can be no painless detoxification. The addiction has persisted for too long and has become too deep and widespread.

To begin with, the addiction is too huge. The "value" of the creative financial paper circulating the globe is calculated, as close as one of our "experts" can reasonably count it, to be US$480 trillion. The Bank for International Settlements puts its count at $600 trillion. In fact, we do not know what the precise sum may be, but we do know that it is so mind-boggling that it seems to lie outside all reality.

What is certain is that somewhere in that massive sum are debts that have to be repaid and creditors who have to be satisfied; and we know that it is a domino game. If the creditors of the first debtor aren't satisfied, then they will become, in their turn, defaulting debtors for their own creditors; and so on down the line and around a global mulberry bush.

Global gross national product s calculated to be about $50 trillion a year. So the figure of $480 trillion is close to 10 times the entire global annual GNP, and $600 trillion is about 12 times. Alternatively, we can say that the "notional value" of the various pieces of financial paper circling the globe at the moment is probably somewhere between 40 and 60 years of the United States' GNP. It is several times the estimated market value of aggregate global wealth.


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The lending snakes are eating each other and the slow burn is beginning to burst into flame.


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Since 2001 the dollar has lost more than half its value against the euro. It now costs nearly $1.40 to buy one euro. But the decline against its major rivals is just the most visible sign of the buck's loss of purchasing power.

In much of the world -- from Brazil to Poland to Thailand -- one dollar buys less than it did a year ago, and far less than it did four years ago. On Friday, the U.S. currency hit a 30-year low against its Canadian peer.

The trend of a falling dollar isn't news to Wall Street or to the ranks of economists. But it was a shock to Katie Ochoa, 20, when she visited a friend in the Provence region of France in May.
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I'm no economist, just a simple person who owns a small business.

Based on what's going on down here in the trenches,I'd call this a recession. Sales are way off industry wide, even taking into account the time of year, we're way off as a whole. I had someone stop in yesterday and tell me there are many who supply my industry with animals, who have made a good living for years now looking for outside jobs due to lack of sales. There are factors other than the economy playing into some of their woes, but economic tightening of the belt is the biggest. He was surprised I was still open, he figured I'd have already fallen victim to the downturn, he has a carpet business and is at the point of having to find outside employment as well. Lots of small business owners in my area are crying the blues, and we've all had to tighten our belts, cut out improvements, shrink spending on goods, take on more ourselves instead of hiring help,cut back on a lot of fronts.

So, regardless of what the rose-colored glasses crowd says, us little guys down here in the real world call it a recession NOW, there is no 'maybe next year' it's here today, right now, and we're all doing our best to weather the storm


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