I'm not sure that this is the thread to address this discussion, but the topic derives from exactly this issue: the Malheur takeover was prompted by a mindset that pervades a certain segment of society, and that is rejected by others.

As a starting point, I think we can ALL agree that 1) humans crave security (of themselves, their possessions, their autonomy) and 2) our Constitution was created to do precisely that.

I've started a new thread, Building Blocks, to pursue this discussion.

A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.

Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich