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I was right about being wrong. Presidents can pardon federal crimes but not state crimes or civil suits. So the state could bring charges against Arpaio, and if he is convicted, it sticks.

This article might help make sense of things. The Trump part comes later on:


How America Lost Its' Mind

And then reflect upon this:
Something about shooting someone on a street........

Just give it a little more time. It's early yet and the Obama economy is still going strong. When it starts to hit them in their pocketbooks and there's no other place to point a finger...

They already know he's an idiot and a failure, but he's their idiot and failure so they'll stick with him until the grits hits the pan. Then they'll drop him like a hot potato.

Were that should be true and valid but I suspect those conclusion would only apply to rational folks, not true believers. They will defend and excuse something along the lines of .... everyone but Mr Trump is lying, etc

How can you argue or discuss anything with true believers

I think his supporters who are at the bottom of the economic ladder will continue to support him: They have more of less nothing and Trump's ineptitude won't hurt them. They will still have nothing no matter what he does. Maybe a little enjoyment out of his anti-elite nonsense, like watching WWE wrestling.

But his working class supporters WILL be affected. They will suffer real loss of income, health care access, education opportunities for their kids, mortgage interest and other deductions, etc. They will notice and start placing the blame where it lays. Hard to blame Obama, Clinton, or Democrats when Republicans are running everything.

I agree that his "soft" supporters will eventually see him for what he is and start looking for something better.

But would they recognize what "better" looks like?

I'm dealing with something of this nature but on a completely different subject, and this comment turned on a lightbulb (or maybe a light emitting diode...).

It has to do with the importance of context. If you see a problem (I see two in current conservative ideology of problem solving by destruction, and liberal ideology of wishful thinking) and want to fix it, you first have to identify the what and why of the problem, so you know what to work on. Using the right wing as an example, since it is the more actively toxic, in my opinion, the context of what "better" is always takes right wingedness as a given. This is a cultural tumor that was intentionally implanted and nurtured by what has now become the new Republican Establishment, beginning it's clear emergence with Newt Gingrich, and fed with endless lying propaganda since.

The tumor is now grown so big that in the last election, there were no GOP candidates on the "good" side of the street, so contextual "better" was still really bad.

(I guess I just identified the POTUS as a huge malignant tumor.)

On the Democratic establishment side, I'd say we have a very large benign tumor.

Understandably, lots of people are vaguely aware of this problem, but "anybody from our party" should not be a given in the contextual equation. There should be some real standards set out that candidates need to meet. I heard a snippet of an interview with Richard Dawkins yesterday, in which he said something like there should be evidence of qualifications relevant to the job presented regarding political candidates.

We've got some tumors to excise, folks, and need to graft in some healthy tissue.

John McCain: It’s time Congress returns to regular order - WaPo (subscription) It's a start...