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erm hasnt pres bush already authorised action against iran? "I have authorized our military commanders in Iraq to confront Tehran's murderous activities." congress who?Thank the Almighty that a real man is running this country and not some liberal-dominated, trough-feeding government committee!
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So you’re about to be invaded by the United States. "So you’re about to be invaded by the United States? Here are some tips on what the expect and what you might want to do to prepare for the aftermath of the initial assault. How will your world change when the United States government invades? The following is far from a comprehensive list, but it reflects a growing body of evidence and historical patterns. As the US government has remained basically the same over the last several decades, so have its habits in war, and the results of those wars. " some sound advice i wish this were satire
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Irked wrote: Thank the Almighty that a real man is running this country and not some liberal-dominated, trough-feeding government committee! If our "real man" weren't running this country, we would not have invaded Iraq and Sadam Hussein would still be in power. The Baathists provided a natural buffer and balance against Iran. The Middle East is now not only destabilized, but we are on the brink of military and economic disaster, should our "real man" pull the trigger, or Cheney whoever will tell him to.
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Will, for me it's hard to think about how much better off we would all be if Saddam were still in power, because we all are so keenly aware of how bad they were when he WAS in power! I mean sure, a lot of things were better than they are now, but that's not a reflection of how good they were before, it's a measure of how positively AWFUL they have become.
For my peace of mind, I go a lot farther back than just Saddam and 2003. I'd look at what might have happened if we, the people of the US and our representatives in government, actually believed enough in the efficacy and power of republican democracy, if we had hailed the 1951 election of Mohammad Mossadegh as a blossoming of democracy in the Middle East, instead of overthrowing him in favor of the repressive despot Pahlavi, that's where I look for the root of the problem we're facing now.
Because you know, how do you erase two generations of wrong-headedness and ignorance? We Americans cluck and tisk about how those savages in the Oil-Rich Nations can't simmer down enough to have a democracy. Over there, they have a much longer history, stretching back many more generations, implanted with the memory of how we savages occupied their homelands and appropriated their natural resources in the name of colonialism. A history that is still being written.
Our buffer against Iran is the buffer of Strength Through Peace. When we start respecting other nations' right to self-determination, and leave the job of improving the world up to the world instead of up to us alone, then we can expect to live in a safer and more secure world.
Not before.
Steve Give us the wisdom to teach our children to love,
to respect and be kind to one another,
so that we may grow with peace in mind.
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Nukes or conventional bombing? What say you? I say get American troops the hell out of there where we don't belong, they don't want us, and our presence only serves to hurt our national interests. Unfortunately, we don't seem to think much beyond the next quarter or poll.
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An interesting read from USA Today.Anyone see it anywhere else? Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei reiterated Sunday that his country has no plans to build nuclear weapons, state radio reported.
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It is significant, however, that the country's supreme leader has directly stated Iran is not after the weapons in front of the elite Revolutionary Guards . . . USA Today has long enjoyed a somewhat right of center reputation. It is significant that the country's leading daily directly stated that Iran is not after the weapons, to borrow a phrase.
Steve Give us the wisdom to teach our children to love,
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Steve,
No. Somehow I doubt that this revelation will disrupt their plans.
Did you ever get the chance to see Ridley Scott's "The Kingdom of Heaven?"
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I doubt that this revelation will disrupt their plans. It will be viewed the same as Sabri's intel.
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Stereoman wrote: Our buffer against Iran is the buffer of Strength Through Peace. When we start respecting other nations' right to self-determination, and leave the job of improving the world up to the world instead of up to us alone, then we can expect to live in a safer and more secure world. Shah Reza Pahlavi was a despot. Exit the Shah, enter the Ayatollahs. Victory for Iranian freedom? Now they vote, but not for their new despots, not for the Supreme Council. The US originally put the Baathists in power because they weren't communists. We supported Saddam in his war with Iran, because he was secular. The US took him out for why is not clear. Because he was a bad guy? Syria, Jordan or Saudi Arabia are not gardens of individual freedoms or human rights, if this is a reason to invade sovereign states for regime change. Anyway, Saddam is gone, but we don't know what will replace him. In truth, nothing has. The whole problem is the vacuum left by his absence. My bet is that ultimately, it will be the Ayatollahs.
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Will, for me it's hard to think about how much better off we would all be if Saddam were still in power, because we all are so keenly aware of how bad they were when he WAS in power! I mean sure, a lot of things were better than they are now, but that's not a reflection of how good they were before, it's a measure of how positively AWFUL they have become.
For my peace of mind, I go a lot farther back than just Saddam and 2003. I'd look at what might have happened if we, the people of the US and our representatives in government, actually believed enough in the efficacy and power of republican democracy, if we had hailed the 1951 election of Mohammad Mossadegh as a blossoming of democracy in the Middle East, instead of overthrowing him in favor of the repressive despot Pahlavi, that's where I look for the root of the problem we're facing now.
Because you know, how do you erase two generations of wrong-headedness and ignorance? We Americans cluck and tisk about how those savages in the Oil-Rich Nations can't simmer down enough to have a democracy. Over there, they have a much longer history, stretching back many more generations, implanted with the memory of how we savages occupied their homelands and appropriated their natural resources in the name of colonialism. A history that is still being written.
Our buffer against Iran is the buffer of Strength Through Peace. When we start respecting other nations' right to self-determination, and leave the job of improving the world up to the world instead of up to us alone, then we can expect to live in a safer and more secure world.
Not before. Interestingly, about 63% of Iraqis feel that the Americans should have never invaded, i.e. depose Saddam...47% want us to leave immediately. So how is the United States viewed by those we "Liberated"?
"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them."~Patrick Henry
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