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Yes, yes it does. I think trump figures if he does it in the open, it's not tampering. He doubled down this morning with more corrupt intent: Trump demands stiff prison sentence for his ex-lawyer Michael Cohen (CNBC).
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all signs of narcissistic delusions
Folks ... if you do not think/believe/suspect Mr Trump "knows" he is above the law ... take another shot or puff of whatever good stuff clears your mind and reconsider
ignorance is the enemy
without equality there is no liberty
America can survive bad policy, but not destruction of our Democratic institutions
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You've hit the nail on the head, Jeff. (b) Whoever knowingly ... corruptly persuades another person, or attempts to do so, or engages in misleading conduct toward another person, with intent to—
(1) influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding;
(2) cause or induce any person to—
(A) withhold testimony, or withhold a record, document, or other object, from an official proceeding... It doesn't matter if you sit in the White House, it is still a crime. The corruption is all that Mueller needs to establish with evidence, and I think he is well on his way to doing that.
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We are getting overwhelmed by all the evidence, because Trump keeps on committing crimes and usually right in public view. Mueller does not need "murder on 5th Avenue in broad daylight". His list of actual criminal offenses is going to contain hundreds of criminal acts.
There is no "smoking gun". There's a whole armory filled with smoking guns.
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A good prosecutor knows, in cases where the perpetrator continues to offend, you have to just go to court with what you have and leave the later crimes to later prosecution. I learned that when I was a prosecutor 3 decades ago. It hasn't changed since, and Mueller is a really good prosecutor.
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It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
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OPINION by Tom Toles - WaPo A fish rots from the head... and that leaves the rest of us ‘fin’-ished. If the edifice of a democracy is a slow, hard-won accumulation of laws and norms, let us bow our heads in sorrow to the daily eradication of norms.
Which norms? Honesty. Transparency. Humility. Dignity. Restraint. Cooperation. And did I mention honesty? Will we actually recover from the Era of Trump, or will we witness the slow slide into banana republic status, as we are treated to an endless parade of corrupt demagogues, entitled celebrities, strongmen and vacant placeholders who pretend to govern while acting as further rubber stamps for an entrenched elite who will function as vultures stripping the carcass?
"The Best of the Leon Russell Festivals" DVD
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“His early cooperation was particularly valuable,” Mueller writes, “because he was one of the few people with long-term and firsthand insight regarding events and issues under investigation by the SCO” (special counsel’s office).
Mueller adds that Flynn’s decision to cooperate “likely affected the decisions of related firsthand witnesses to be forthcoming with the SCO and cooperate”— and redacts the sentence that follows. (Vox)
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I think the degree of Flynn's cooperation has to be pretty scary for Trump et al. He has really spilled the beans on everybody, and they really need to take any deal they can get. Because Mueller knows everything! Flynn probably deserves no jail time because he really took the deal. Unlike Manafort.
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It really appears from the Manafort and Cohen filings that the Trumps' geese are cooked. Moreover, Mueller is REALLY emphasizing that cooperation means FULL AND HONEST cooperation. Cohen will get 4+ years, and Manafort 10 or more. It will be hard NOT to hold impeachment hearings when conspiracy to commit election fraud had been explicitly alleged against the President. Moreover, Donald Junior and the Trump organization are directly accused of Russian collusion.
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I wonder how the folks relying on presidential pardon are going to act if the Supremes uphold the law that kinda allows double jeopardy? https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/su...kely-change-double-jeopardy-rule-n944891That being said there is another little point. It seems that if somebody actually gets a presidential pardon then they are, by law (apparently), forced to answer any question by a prosecutor. Kindofa damned if you do, damned if you don't sort of deal. In this case especially for Jackass?
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