Originally Posted by jgw
I wonder, all these claims of socialism, is the discussion is really about socialism or social responsibility, ie. stuff like police, firemen, libraries, public schools, health care, etc. (stuff that necessity and responsibility defines for gov to function in a modern world).

Real socialism, as defined all over the place, is when gov owns all means of production. This would mean, for instance, that stuff like rare earths, oil, coal, wind farms, construction, farms, etc. would be owned by the government and not individual or corporate entities. This 'socialism' has been tried several times and has failed everytime. So, I expect, you are not really claiming to be socialist but something entirely different?

Just wondering.................

"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and workers' self-management of the means of production[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[11] Social ownership can be public, collective or cooperative ownership, or citizen ownership of equity.[12] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] with social ownership being the common element shared by its various forms."- Wikipedia