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Uh...TLDR...? It's hard to tell how much of that is completely fabricated.

But Epstein appears to be going down so it's not a complete free for all if you're a billionaire. Almost though...that original case in Florida....WOW.

Do I see a presidential pardon in the not too distant future?



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Originally Posted by Greger
Uh...TLDR...? It's hard to tell how much of that is completely fabricated.

But Epstein appears to be going down so it's not a complete free for all if you're a billionaire. Almost though...that original case in Florida....WOW.

Do I see a presidential pardon in the not too distant future?

The fact that anyone even has to ponder if the optics of a president pardoning a child molesting billionaire is bad enough to hurt Trump ought to be a sign that Republicans have already gone over the precipice altogether as far as any lingering shred of morality is concerned.


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Rich and powerful men exploiting underage women isn't exactly a new thing. It has always gotten swept under the rug. The numbers of minors molested, abused, and outright raped has always been suppressed by practically everybody. The Catholic priesthood has been a home for pedophiles and molesters for a thousand years. Numbers are even more suppressed among protestants where children are to be seen, and fondled, but not heard.

Michael Jackson had a thing for boys. Everybody knew it. He paid them well and and mostly they stayed quiet....
Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year old cousin! It hurt his career...but didn't end it. Love, after all is love...
Ted Nugent....well, let's just not go there...the list goes on and on and on.

So yeah. Trump would pardon him. Because it's just not that big of a deal to him. Just the rich exploiting anyone they want. Just business as usual. Silly in fact....like going to jail for liking big titties!


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Trump may be in a bind: Pardon Epstein and look like he's condoning massive child trafficking, or don't pardon him and Epstein gives up Trump for that rape of the 13 year old girl for a plea deal. Karma's a bitch.

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Nice article on the Seth Rich story:

The Seth Rich Conspiracy Theory

Russian intelligence ginned up the whole conspiracy theory and fed it into the alt-right conspiracy machine. Fox News ended up running with this BS for about 10 days until the truth started coming out and they retracted. Of course, once it's out there on the internet it has a life of it's own. Lots of lawsuits in progress.


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Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
Trump may be in a bind: Pardon Epstein and look like he's condoning massive child trafficking, or don't pardon him and Epstein gives up Trump for that rape of the 13 year old girl for a plea deal. Karma's a bitch.

Some guy held up a photo of Trump standing with Epstein at his rally today. Trump was not pleased, and I am surprised the guy survived the gauntlet he had to run through as Donald EJECTED him from the rally.

"Get him outta here!"



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That's some military grade cajones.

I'd be suprised if it amounts to little more than a plea deal. Epstein does some short real time. Goes no further and has no legs.

It would be nice to see evidence of Karma but I ain't holding my breath.

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AIDS would be appropriate, but unlikely if Jeffery only went for virgins.

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