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However, the Democrats record of stealing elections and of whining about losing elections far exceeds the number of times the Republicans have done it. Do you have any evidence, any asst all, that proves this assertion? I give you, in refutation, The GOP Election Plan Is Simple: Even When You Don’t Win, Cheat (Rolling Stone); The voter disenfranchisement on display in these three states is an extension of broader Republican efforts to reject the will of those citizens who vote in ways they don’t like, the same people who are most likely to block their path to power in future elections. The devil takes many forms, as does voter suppression.
Mark Harris, a Baptist preacher who considers Islam to be “Satanic,” won May’s GOP primary for North Carolina’s 9th Congressional District. After the November 6th general election, the Associated Press prematurely called the race in his favor. Leading by a mere 905 votes over his Democratic opponent, Dan McCready, Harris’ win seemed close but certain. However, the state’s Board of Elections has twice refused to certify the victory, citing irregularities with absentee ballots. The board may order a new election on December 21st when it meets to review the mounting evidence that Harris and his campaign engaged in illegal activity that disproportionately affected voters of color. We see it in Wisconsin, Michigan, North Carolina, North Dakota, Kansas, Georgia, Florida. It is blatant, it is brazen, and it is pervasive. Please defend these tactics as "conservative" or "democratic". Please justify the Supreme Court's brazen partisanship as "equitable" and "fair". LBJ AKA "Landslide Lyndon" there wasn't an election he was in that he didn't steal, the machine politics of New York City, Kansas City, Chicago, Athens, TN, and Boston to name a few places where Democrats stole elections on a regular basis. I cite history and you cite an extremely biased source the magazine The Rolling Stone.
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I strongly believe that the Electoral College is one of the things that makes our Constitution the greatest political/legal document ever written. Do you have an example of how the electoral college has produced a superior (above average at least) leader for the United States? How about any tangible benefit?
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But if you want to go off on another long winded reply to something I did not don't let me stop you. In a way NW you remind me of Hubert H. Humphrey, a good man who I had the privilege to know, but one who could not say something in 100 words if he could so in 1,000 words. How about this: You're Wrong. You are not only wrong, you are inconsistent. Let us move the goal post again? Previously you asserted The idea behind the Electoral College is to force a Presidential candidate build a large coalition of voters from every state in the country. Now you say The Electoral College was not meant to force presidential candidates to campaign in every state. You see, I hope, how one could see that as "inconsistent" and "moving the goalposts". You assert that my post is Another lecture. One that misses what my comments say. when in fact, it was directly related to exactly the detail and substance of your post. I misquoted neither your post nor your citation. When I don't respond to links, you accuse me of "ignoring" them. When I refute them in detail, you accuse me of "lecturing". My friend, you really can't have it both ways.
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I cite history and you cite an extremely biased source the magazine The Rolling Stone. Actually, Senator Hatrack, you didn't cite anything, you simply made some extremely biased and unsupported statements. Overall, we rate Rolling Stone Left Biased based on strongly left leaning editorial positions and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing of information and a clean fact check record. There is a difference between biased and factual, BTW. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/rolling-stone/
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However, the Democrats record of stealing elections and of whining about losing elections far exceeds the number of times the Republicans have done it. Do you have any evidence, any asst all, that proves this assertion? I give you, in refutation, The GOP Election Plan Is Simple: Even When You Don’t Win, Cheat (Rolling Stone); The voter disenfranchisement on display in these three states is an extension of broader Republican efforts to reject the will of those citizens who vote in ways they don’t like, the same people who are most likely to block their path to power in future elections. The devil takes many forms, as does voter suppression.
Mark Harris, a Baptist preacher who considers Islam to be “Satanic,” won May’s GOP primary for North Carolina’s 9th Congressional District. After the November 6th general election, the Associated Press prematurely called the race in his favor. Leading by a mere 905 votes over his Democratic opponent, Dan McCready, Harris’ win seemed close but certain. However, the state’s Board of Elections has twice refused to certify the victory, citing irregularities with absentee ballots. The board may order a new election on December 21st when it meets to review the mounting evidence that Harris and his campaign engaged in illegal activity that disproportionately affected voters of color. We see it in Wisconsin, Michigan, North Carolina, North Dakota, Kansas, Georgia, Florida. It is blatant, it is brazen, and it is pervasive. Please defend these tactics as "conservative" or "democratic". Please justify the Supreme Court's brazen partisanship as "equitable" and "fair". LBJ AKA "Landslide Lyndon" there wasn't an election he was in that he didn't steal, the machine politics of New York City, Kansas City, Chicago, Athens, TN, and Boston to name a few places where Democrats stole elections on a regular basis. I cite history and you cite an extremely biased source the magazine The Rolling Stone. in short, you have no response to the substance of my post. This from someone who accuses others of not reading links? Pu- leeze!. That is, definitionally, hypocrisy. I take it from your response (as others have previously noted) that "cheating by Republicans is okay", but Democrats are automatically bad, because they were 50 years ago. Senator, I ask, humbly, read what you write critically, and honestly.
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I strongly believe that the Electoral College is one of the things that makes our Constitution the greatest political/legal document ever written. Do you have an example of how the electoral college has produced a superior (above average at least) leader for the United States? How about any tangible benefit? The purpose of the Electoral College is not to produce superior leaders. That is the responsibility of the American voters. It's purpose to balance the power of states with small populations against those with large populations.
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The purpose of the Electoral College is not to produce superior leaders. That is the responsibility of the American voters. It's purpose to balance the power of states with small populations against those with large populations. Why, if it produces inferior results and disenfranchises individual voters? Frankly, Senator, it sounds downright Socialist!
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"The idea behind the Electoral College is to force a Presidential candidate build a large coalition of voters from every state in the country."
Now you say
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
"The Electoral College was not meant to force presidential candidates to campaign in every state."
There is no contradiction in those two statements. To build a large coalition of voters in every state does not require a candidate to campaign in every state. Coalitions are built by people joining together to support a cause or a political candidate. A personal visit by a presidential candidate is helpful, but not necessary, to build a coalition.
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"The idea behind the Electoral College is to force a Presidential candidate build a large coalition of voters from every state in the country." The idea behind the EC was to bring slave states into the Union. This is where the 5/8 counting of black male slaves came from.  We don't have slavery any longer - much to most modern Conservative's chagrin. 
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in short, you have no response to the substance of my post. This from someone who accuses others of not reading links? Pu-leeze!. That is, definitionally, hypocrisy.
I take it from your response (as others have previously noted) that "cheating by Republicans is okay", but Democrats are automatically bad, because they were 50 years ago. Senator, I ask, humbly, read what you write critically, and honestly. I replied to the substance of your post by listing the history of the Democrats stealing elections. In another comment, which you might not have read, I stated that I am vehemently opposed to the stealing of elections by either political party! I am not being a hypocrite on this subject. That you think I am is most likely because you have not read all of my posts.
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