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let me put this succinctly: You're wrong. I'll put it another way: you're wrong. To be fair... well, you're still wrong.

What is the Electoral College? (US archives). Electoral College (History.com). (Emphasis mine).

By elevating a minor consideration to the principle purpose of the EC, you are distorting the actual history and substance of the compromise.

Got any modern examples, say in the past 30 years? I have a bunch of GOP election thefts. Like Kris Korbach, I can nary find a Dem election theft.

I'm going to challenge you again, friend. It's apparent you read the title, but not the substance, of the article. If you had, you wouldn't have linked it, as it undermines your argument.

This is another example of your ignorance pdx rick. It was the 3/5 compromise not the 5/8 compromise. That compromise was not made to get the Electoral College into our Constitution. That sad and unfortunate compromise was, very reluctantly, made in order to get our Constitution written and ratified. Before our Constitution was even thought of Virginia (the colony with the most slaves) wrote the Declaration of Rights, in 1775. It was written by George Mason, Robert Nicholas, the colonial treasurer, and James Madison, all three were slave owners yet they debated the issue of slavery. All three of them believed that slavery was a dying institution, they just didn't know how to kill it. George Mason who is consider the "Father of the Bill of Rights" said this about slavery.
"As much as I value an union of all the states, I would not admit the southern states into the union, unless they agreed to the discontinuance of this disgraceful trade, because it would bring weakness and not strength to the union." "The augmentation of slaves weakens the states; and such a trade is diabolical in itself, and disgraceful to mankind."
That comment is an insult to and a lie about Conservatives.

A couple of additional, and short points:

First, a "constitutional republic" and a "representative democracy" are the same thing. Full stop. Conservative commentators like to run out that phrase as if it means something special and refutes the United States being a "democracy." That is rhetorical legerdemain. When the founders used the phrase "republic" they meant "representative democracy" - "a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch." See Webster. Sounds like democracy, doesn't it?

What this trick is intended to do is obfuscate and confuse. What is usually intended is to create confusion about the United States as a federation, elevating the interests of States over the central government, which is both historically and functionally inaccurate (in short, deceptive). [It also conveniently replaces "democrat"ic with "republic"an.] The Constitutional Convention replaced the Articles of Confederation, which had a weak central government dominated by individual colonies, and was universally considered unworkable. The new Constitution created a strong, indeed, "Supreme", central government. That is the reality these commentators wish to hide.

Second, the principle purpose of the EC was not to thwart the "plan of the convention". It was intended to create a workable mechanism to establish an Executive that represented all of the people of the United States, and NOT the parochial interests of the constituent States. At the time universal suffrage was neither practical nor desirable. That is why the "college" meets in the different States the reports to Congress. Travel, even communicating, was incredibly slow. As with all other aspects of the Constitution and the preferences of its adopters, it was created as a representative constituency, not as a functionary of individual State interests.

5/8...3/5...meh - the fact remains that the EC is very much tied to slavery.


1870s Klan Members and 1930s Jim Crow writing Conservative Southern Democrats would disagree with you. What's that thing about conserving the past?

This has long been a conservative meme. Why? Mostly because when conservatives write/edit articles they typically use highly biased opinion pieces as credible sources. Sorry but breitbart, drudge, newsmax, etc are not credible sources.

But if you really believe it, then point out the errors and edit them. I mean it is apparently well known Mr Trump lies as a matter of fact but all of his surrogates deny he ever lies. Now I can't tell if they are stupid, ignorant, or are under a spell, but one thing is certain, they lie for Mr Trump.

Now don't get me wrong (as I know you have already done) wiki admits their articles are only as good as the credibility and honesty of the people editing articles.

You are taking my reply to logtroll about the Electoral College out of context. As James Madison said "Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." That is why I said the purpose of the Electoral College is not to produce superior leaders. The purpose of the Electoral College is, as your links state and I wholeheartedly agree, to balance the power of small states against the power of the big states.

Does Pres. Trump lie? Of course he does! Show a President, any President, who has not lied. I won't be holding my breath waiting for you to show me a President who hasn't lied.

I've been enjoying my ride on my high horse. The view from up here is marvelous. I can see everyone's faults. Anyone else wanna go for a canter?