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This is a quote you posted NW.
"The original purpose of the Electoral College was to reconcile differing state and federal interests, provide a degree of popular participation in the election, give the less populous states some additional leverage in the process by providing “senatorial” electors, preserve the presidency as independent of Congress and generally insulate the election process from political manipulation."
I put in italics the part of your quote that supports what I said about the balance between large and small states.
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The purpose of the Electoral College is, as your links state and I wholeheartedly agree, to balance the power of small states against the power of the big states. I know you are being kept quite busy, but I have asked nicely twice already - do you have any examples of the electoral college accomplishing what you claim to the benefit of the "small states" or to the Nation? When has it balanced the power between states? "The original purpose of the Electoral College was to reconcile differing state and federal interests, provide a degree of popular participation in the election, give the less populous states some additional leverage in the process by providing “senatorial” electors, preserve the presidency as independent of Congress and generally insulate the election process from political manipulation." Giving the small states some additional leverage is to give them a benefit and to balance the power between them.
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This is a quote you posted NW.
"The original purpose of the Electoral College was to reconcile differing state and federal interests, provide a degree of popular participation in the election, give the less populous states some additional leverage in the process by providing “senatorial” electors, preserve the presidency as independent of Congress and generally insulate the election process from political manipulation."
I put in italics the part of your quote that supports what I said about the balance between large and small states. And ignored the most important things: The list of primary purposes, and the specific limitation of the statement that it was "to a degree" - talk about "out of context". Pot, meet kettle.
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I just want an actual example of how the electoral college balanced the power between big and little states. I think we can leave out the three elections in the 1800s that the EC gave to the loser of the popular vote.
That leaves Bush II and Trump. How have those two inept clowns helped the small states in ways that the winners of the popular vote would not have?
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I'm going to challenge you again, friend. It's apparent you read the title, but not the substance, of the article. If you had, you wouldn't have linked it, as it undermines your argument. Which link are you referring to? It is very difficult to try to reply to you, logtroll, and pdx rick at the same time. Add to that the fact that I probably one of the world's worst typists makes it even more of a challenge. There was only one link in your reply, to Slate. It did not support your conclusion. That link was posted by pdx rick not me, so of course it did not support my claim. Excuse me, sir. You put the Slate link out. You were so proud to find a Left-Leaning online reference.  Then I linked to more current information.
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[quote=NW Ponderer]I'm going to challenge you again, friend. It's apparent you read the title, but not the substance, of the article. If you had, you wouldn't have linked it, as it undermines your argument. Which link are you referring to? It is very difficult to try to reply to you, logtroll, and pdx rick at the same time. Add to that the fact that I probably one of the world's worst typists makes it even more of a challenge. There was only one link in your reply, to Slate. It did not support your conclusion. That link was posted by pdx rick not me, so of course it did not support my claim. Excuse me, sir. You put the Slate link out. You were so proud to find a Left-Leaning online reference. Then I linked to more current information. I did, but it was in response to your link from SLATE. Your link was posted first.
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[quote=Senator Hatrack][quote=NW Ponderer]I'm going to challenge you again, friend. It's apparent you read the title, but not the substance, of the article. If you had, you wouldn't have linked it, as it undermines your argument. Which link are you referring to? It is very difficult to try to reply to you, logtroll, and pdx rick at the same time. Add to that the fact that I probably one of the world's worst typists makes it even more of a challenge. There was only one link in your reply, to Slate. It did not support your conclusion. That link was posted by pdx rick not me, so of course it did not support my claim. Excuse me, sir. You put the Slate link out. You were so proud to find a Left-Leaning online reference. Then I linked to more current information. I did, but it was in response to your link from SLATE. Your link was posted first. No sir, my link was not to Slate. My link was to Law and Crime.
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This is a quote you posted NW.
"The original purpose of the Electoral College was to reconcile differing state and federal interests, provide a degree of popular participation in the election, give the less populous states some additional leverage in the process by providing “senatorial” electors, preserve the presidency as independent of Congress and generally insulate the election process from political manipulation."
I put in italics the part of your quote that supports what I said about the balance between large and small states. And ignored the most important things: The list of primary purposes, and the specific limitation of the statement that it was "to a degree" - talk about "out of context". Pot, meet kettle. By bracketing the phrase about a degree of popular participation with commas means it is an idea that can stand alone from the rest of what is being said (", provide a degree of popular participation in the election,). Then in a comment before you posted this comment I referred to the Electoral College as the Presidential election version of it being like the Senate. The quote you posted also refers to the Electoral College as being senatorial in regards to a Presidential election. Who ignored the most important things in the quote you posted NW? You did.
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Bull. Just bull. I realize you don't like to be shown to be wrong, but come on.
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I strongly believe that the Electoral College is one of the things that makes our Constitution the greatest political/legal document ever written. Do you have an example of how the electoral college has produced a superior (above average at least) leader for the United States? How about any tangible benefit? The purpose of the Electoral College is not to produce superior leaders. That is the responsibility of the American voters. It's purpose to balance the power of states with small populations against those with large populations. Tell that to Hamilton and Madison. They'd be shocked you didn't understand their well written arguments,
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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