Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
[quote=Senator Hatrack]The ONLY reason liberals want to get rid of the Electoral College is because Hillary Clinton lost!
Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
You lose that argument with the first sentence. Well done! As a purported "classical liberal" that conception just doesn't work. Moreover, painting with only one color tends to be very boring. Put the labeler away and address the substance, please. There are many of us, liberal and conservative alike, who have found the EC unworkable. Do you know how long it has been argued to be unworkable? I'll give you a hint: Madison was still alive.
My comment referred to liberals because they are currently the most actively opposed to it. I know that there are conservatives who would like to get rid of too. Mrs. Clinton's loss in the Presidential election is what has motivated liberals to to push to get rid of it.

Originally Posted by Senator Hatrack
That those comments were made shows that the members of the Constitutional Convention did not create the Electoral College with the idea of it being protection against unqualified people from becoming our President.
Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
Even Madison disagrees with you on that one. That's the problem with relying on conservative websites for your quotes, you miss the context (and the point).
I asked you to tell me the name of my source, not just to fob it off on a "conservative website." Show me a quote of Madison's that it was meant to protect against unqualified men from becoming our President.

Originally Posted by Senator Hatrack
The reason that the quality of people in our government has declined is not due to the failure of anything our Founding Fathers did.
Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
Well, yeah, it is. They created parties.
When they did they believed there would more than two parties. Madison did speak of factions as way to keep our government working as well as possible.
Originally Posted by Senator Hatrack
We have people running our government who aren't qualified to run a small business.
Now we are getting somewhere...
Originally Posted by Senator Hatrack
They are there because we have stopped doing what we should be doing. What we should be doing is reverse these numbers, the approval rating and reelection rate for members of Congress. Currently Congress has an approval rating of about 11% and a reelection rate of 95%.
Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
Yes, and how did we fix that?
Two things would help 1) Don't vote for any incumbents. 2) Support "third parties" to break the power of the two we have now.
Originally Posted by Senator Hatrack
[W]e keep reelecting incompetent idiots to Congress. Congress is supposed to run our country not our current President.

Originally Posted by Senator Hatrack
How can any President, regardless of party, fix problems in four to eight years that the idiots in Congress who are, or have been, there for decades? It can't be done! Our Presidents are not the cause of what is wrong with America, WE ARE!
Originally Posted by NW Ponderer[/quote
See, we can find common ground. Hmmm. So it wasn't all Obama's fault? Bravo!
Sadly, unlike many Republicans/conservatives I may have disliked Pres. Obama's policies but I always respected him.

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