Originally Posted by Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted by Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted by Senator Hatrack
There is and always will be income inequality. It exists because what some people do has more value than what others do. Should the income of the Rolling Stones be equal to that of person working at their first job? Hell no it shouldn't! The efforts to make everyone's income equal can only be successful if everyone is equally poor. To achieve that is to take away the incentive to improve your life. To get rid of income inequality is part of the social justice reform. Therefore it is a bad idea.

attn Straw man alert detected attn

Yes, there HAS always been income inequality...some income inequality.
In some time periods there was massive income inequality and in other times there was less massive income inequality, but only a numbskull would seriously ever expect there to be equal incomes for everybody, or equal outcomes for everything.

That's totally disingenuous.
No amount of finger pointing pedagogy about Marx, spare us ALL, please. Nobody here is interested in Marx. The most you will ever see who are nationwide probably number less than Arby's employees by several orders of magnitude.

NOBODY ever expects equal outcomes, even in the most ultra/uber egalitarian wet dream.
Equal opportunity on the other hand is another matter, and I am tired of endlessly drawing this important distinction to people who respond like zombies from The Walking Dead, endlessly insisting that I, a lefty, DO INDEED subscribe to Marx, while at the same time not even knowing I do. [/sarcasm] rolleyes

You claim in one post that some things are a matter of degree.
In your post above, you trot out a one-dimensional cardboard cutout.
It might be Karl Marx, or it might be one of The Smith Brothers, of cough drop fame. It doesn't matter to you because you're in a hurry to point out some perceived failing of a socialist/communist ideology that isn't even part of the discussion on the Left.

A matter of degree in things like, say perhaps, human productivity, might be important. Or for instance, matters of degree in things like income inequality might also be considered important, and worthy of a closer look.

I think degrees in income inequality down through the ages follow a familiar pattern. When matched carefully to historic events both good and bad, one begins to see a pattern of human nature.

In today's economy, we are at or near enough to an extreme imbalance...several of them.
If you spot it, even when its not there, you've got it.
Nowhere in my comment do I make even a passing reference to Karl Marx but you keep seeing references to him. To repeat, there is not a single reference to Karl Marx in my comment!

Hatrack, your continual reference to what YOU perceive is "liberal expectation of equal outcomes" is the marxism you refer to all the time, both BY name and NOT by name.

If you're not careful, I will corner you into repeating your old saws about how you think so much of Democratic Party ideology is marxism based.

So, playing a four year old's game of "I didn't actually SAY Karl Marx" isn't going to work.

We know that far out ultra leftists dream of equal outcomes, and equalized wealth, with no nail sticking up and nonconforming.

One only need dig up a few copies of your old newsletter The Militant, for examples.
Your problem is, you WERE a former Socialist Workers Party member, so you continue to assume that you understand everyone on the Left.
You write all of your arguments as if you're talking to (or talking DOWN to) another SWP member...A MARXIST.

So I will try one more time to let you know: There are NO MARXISTS here and your argument about equal outcomes and equal wealth are a STRAW MAN.

Would you like for me to pull up three or four of your past posts where you imply and then later outright SAY that Democrats are all marxists at heart, or something similar?

We can start with your "Rolling Stones" reference in case you already forgot that one, and work backwards.




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