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My dear friend Senator H,
It must be nice to live in a world where you get to define your terms (and thus your enemies) willy-nilly without regard to standards or rationality. Most of us are constrained by the real world, and are thus at a disadvantage. I suppose, though, that gives everyone the equal right to describe your views as they like, too.
You have, I understand, voted Republican. That means that the list of horribles Greger previously supplied are now verified as applicable. I appreciate that concession. It clarifies so much. I'm sure this discussion will be so much simpler in the future. If, because I have voted for Republicans, I am guilty by association of everything Republican elected officials have done, then you and Greger are guilty by association of everything the Democrats have done. The list of sins committed by the Democrats is much longer than the sins committed by the Republicans. Thanks for admitting that you and Greger have and do wallow in the pig sty of the Democratic Party.
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Ms. Harris said America was not working for working people, that health care costs were driving people to near bankruptcy and that she supported “Medicare for all.” She railed against gun violence, described climate change as man-made and endorsed the Green New Deal. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/18/us/politics/kamala-harris-town-hall.htmlThe plan must include a federal jobs guarantee and large-scale public investments. Again, the GND is not just climate policy. It’s about transforming the economy, lifting the up the poor and middle class, and creating a more muscular, active public sector. The GND “opens an opportunity to renegotiate power relationships between the public sector, the private sector, and the people,” says Gunn-Wright. “We are interested in solutions that create more democratic structures in our economy.” https://www.vox.com/energy-and-envi.../green-new-deal-alexandria-ocasio-cortezMedicare for all and the Green New Deal are steps toward Socialism. When the only provider of health care is our government that is Socialism. When the energy industry is run by our government that is Socialism. Since Sen. Harris supports both Medicare for all and the Green New Deal she is a Socialist. The Green New Deal isn't a law, it's a proposal. As such, 100% or as little as zero percent of it will be considered in any conversation about energy and environmental concerns. And, as a proposal (and a rather vague and loosely defined one at that) everything in it is open to debate. Now, please do us all a favor and illustrate how you believe that "the only provider of health care is our government" under ANY plans put forth by anyone in the Democratic Party.
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Now, please do us all a favor and illustrate how you believe that "the only provider of health care is our government" under ANY plans put forth by anyone in the Democratic Party. Medicare is a government run healthcare plan. If Medicare for all is implemented then our government would be the only provider of healthcare. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...-now-support-medicare-for-all/ar-AAGU5jAMore than half of House Democrats now support Medicare for all. When over half the Democrats in the House of Representatives that means it is a plan supported by the Democratic Party.
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The Green New Deal isn't a law, it's a proposal. As such, 100% or as little as zero percent of it will be considered in any conversation about energy and environmental concerns. And, as a proposal (and a rather vague and loosely defined one at that) everything in it is open to debate. If the Democrats take control of our government most, if not all, of the New Green Deal will (eventually) become law.
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What do you think should be in a Green New Deal, Senator?
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To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
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What do you think should be in a Green New Deal, Senator? Nothing. Whatever is proposed will only make our government bigger than it needs to be.
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Did you read my recommendations?
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Medicare is a government run healthcare plan. Show me the list of all the government owned and operated Medicare hospitals, clinics and doctor offices. Tell me what GS grade a Medicare doctor is. Since you claim it's government run, the definition of that is, doctors and all other healthcare people are government employees, and the government built, runs and owns all the facilities. Show me. If Medicare for all is implemented then our government would be the only provider of healthcare. You're saying Medicare is exactly like the British NHS. Prove it or admit that you like to play fast and loose with your definitions. By the way, in debates, you don't GET to make up your own definitions. The VA is a government run healthcare plan. Everyone at the VA is a government employee, the government built the hospitals and runs them and they are on federal property. So in essence, you're misinformed.
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This is not just about RR, but conservative voices generally. Did a bunch of them get off the Conservative Train at Perot Junction? Perotistas circa 2009
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What do you think should be in a Green New Deal, Senator? Nothing. Whatever is proposed will only make our government bigger than it needs to be. The problem we run into is that you don't want government to interfere with your life but you really don't care how much they interfere with the lives of others. In fact, you encourage them to interfere with millions of lives so that you can personally profit. That's not how things were meant to be Senator. Government is supposed to work for everyone. It does a pretty good job overall. But it needs a few tweaks. Those tweaks will neither make the government "bigger" than it currently is nor will they make it more "socialist". I haven't got a freaking clue what Trump is doing that might somehow Make America Great Again. All he's doing is making farmers commit suicide because they can't keep up with their loans. Perhaps we should think of Republicanism in general as the The Brown New Deal
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