Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
Originally Posted by Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
Originally Posted by rporter314
This is one of the situations the Founders envisioned.

Once verified the final nail goes in that coffin, but I would like to see the clown show ... Trump supporters ingratiating themselves in the most servile and obsequious ways to throw away what little integrity any would have and certainly lose all self respect for any number of reasons.
As if on cue...

Here is one of the best deconstructions of Trump-Defender Syndrome sufferer's excuses I've read: John Harwood.
I see that you are quoting the liberal talking heads again, NW. Apparently you don't believe that Pres. Trump has the right to be defended. If you did you would not condemn someone from defending Trump you would encourage it. To say that someone suffers from "Trump-Defender Syndrome" is to criticize anyone who defends Trump.
My friend, I wish for a moment you would get out of your ultra-partisan cocoon and actually consider what you say. So far your only response has been a predictable partisan outburst devoid of serious thought. Let me try to focus your attention:

First, the White House released a summary of the phone call Trump made to Ukraine, so the content is not disputable. Other evidence, including Trump's public admission is readily available.
Here is the transcript of Pres. Trump's phone call to the Ukrainian President. Phone Call The Department of Justice found that Pres. Trump did not break the law. DOJ
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The DOJ’s office of legal counsel “concluded that the complaint didn’t meet the narrow technical standard for passing on a complaint from the intel community to Congress”, according to Williams, because it wasn’t an intelligence activity and didn’t include any intel employees.


Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
Second, "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" and "innocent until proven guilty" have no applicability here. That only applies at the end of a criminal proceeding. So, that assertion is proverbial smoke, wherever it is blown. It will be at least 18 months before Trump can go to trial and the likelihood of a Ford-Nixon pardon deal is extremely high.

WTF?
Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is not applicable here? That is applicable in every trial in this country! It is what the prosecution MUST do to obtain a conviction of whoever is being tried for any and all crimes. Innocent until proven guilty only applies at the end of a criminal proceeding? No, everyone whether it is the President of the United States or you, NW Ponderer, are innocent of any crime you might be accused of until you have been tried. It doesn't matter if the trial is in a local courthouse of the US Senate! Everyone is innocent until the the jury, or Senators, returns with a guilty verdict.
Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
Third, the behavior that Trump admitted engaging in is at the heart of the concerns expressed throughout the Constitutional Convention and in the Federalist essays. I presume you know this, which is why you won't address it.
Please provide proof of Trump's "confession."

Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
Now, I challenge you to refute any of this with facts and I will respond accordingly. Continue with your partisan tirades and I will ridicule accordingly. Deal?
I have. But you will doubt the legitimacy of my link about what the DOJ said because the source is a conservative one. For you to accept a conservative source would require you to break out of your ultra partisan cocoon. No, there is no "deal." All you can do is ridicule people in your biased attempts to prove what you believe. Your primary method of replying to the comments of those who disagree with is to ridicule them and it is extremely obnoxious.

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