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While that might be considered corruption by some it is unfortunately politics as usual. Under Trump a lot of things that previously weren't politics as usual are common occurrences now. Using the office for his personal gain is at the top of the heap. Trump has opened many doors that were previously closed. Look for Democrats to go darting in and out of them in the future. What's good for the proverbial goose works also for the gander.
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You are a stubborn ideologue, but I am not allowing you to put words in my mouth. Do try and debate honestly, alrighty?
You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete. R. Buckminster Fuller
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I requested a response based upon fact. I wish I'd received one. Now, I will concede that there was a fact, a nugget, nestled deep in your misbegotten tirade. The DOJ branch of the Trump personal attorney corps did issue make perfunctory, conclusory statement. But the characterization in the article was, shall we say, "lacking" in context and content. In other words since the DOJ didn't think Trump had broken the law you arrogantly dismiss them as lackey's of Trump. If they had said Trump did brake the law, in essence agreed with you, they would be the best attorneys in the world! Because they didn't my comment was a misbegotten tirade. For your ridicule to bother me I would have to respect your opinion. You have NOT shown me a reason to do so. Therefore if you want to ridicule me go ahead. I could use a few laughs.
The state can never straighten the crooked timber of humanity. I'm a conservative because I question authority. Conservative Revolutionary
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It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
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Uhhh, by the way...I'll just leave this here: Rudy Giuliani caught trying to score cash from Ukraine gas company while accusing Hunter Biden of the same Uhh-ohhhhh.... "every time I think we have hit the bottom, we find a new basement" Snork! (@ "basement") More like another level of Dante's Hell!! 
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I can see that the next 20 years are going to be interesting times for politics. The Republicans have ceded any claim to moral authority, so any time an opponent does something unethical or of questionable legality, their excuse will be: "But what about Trump?" For example, Clinton got a BJ from a consenting adult. But now it's okay if Trump grabs random un-consenting women by the crotch, spies on naked teens, has multiple affairs while still married, pays off porn stars, etc. I wonder how many abortions Cohen paid for? Candidates for any office will be able to be downright despicable, because "What about Trump?"
He's just done so much that Republicans of even Bush I's time would have censured. I honestly think the only way they can get back to some semblance of the moral high ground is to convict Trump. Otherwise, they might as well just redefine their Party as The Organized Crime Party. Every change they made to Senate or House rules is going to come back to haunt them when the Democrats do the same thing.
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The Republicans have ceded any claim to moral authority They most certainly have not! Trump was Chosen By Gawd and Gawd is the ultimate moral authoritarian. If Trump has sinned(and who has not?) Then he has been forgiven. Just like any other Republican who buggers boys, keeps a tab at the local abortion clinic, or beats his wife, forgiveness is just a prayer away and the absolution is complete. Unfortunately this is not possible for godless liberals. Thus the slightest error must cleansed by fire, the least mistake punished unmercifully, because there can never be forgiveness nor absolution. A rapist, a murderer and a wifebeater walk into a bar.... "What'll it be officer?" says the barkeep...
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I can see that the next 20 years are going to be interesting times for politics. The Republicans have ceded any claim to moral authority, so any time an opponent does something unethical or of questionable legality, their excuse will be: "But what about Trump?" For example, Clinton got a BJ from a consenting adult. But now it's okay if Trump grabs random un-consenting women by the crotch, spies on naked teens, has multiple affairs while still married, pays off porn stars, etc. I wonder how many abortions Cohen paid for? Candidates for any office will be able to be downright despicable, because "What about Trump?"
He's just done so much that Republicans of even Bush I's time would have censured. I honestly think the only way they can get back to some semblance of the moral high ground is to convict Trump. Otherwise, they might as well just redefine their Party as The Organized Crime Party. Every change they made to Senate or House rules is going to come back to haunt them when the Democrats do the same thing. Moral authority? Having affairs? How about JFK? He had a few affairs. One was with Judith Exner who was also the girlfriend of Sam Giancana, the "Godfather" of Chicago. JFK Judith Exner Sam Giancana Of course JFK never lied about having an affair. He always told his wife all about it. How about LBJ and his radio stations? LBJ & the FCC LBJ made his and his wife's fortune by power as a member of Congress and its oversight of the FCC. Then you didn't even quote Trump accurately on his comment about grabbing women. Here is what he said. "I'm automatically attracted to beautiful [women]—I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything ... Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything." While saying that was crude and tasteless it is also, unfortunately, true. Why do you think that 70 year old Mick Jagger can have an affair with a 20 something woman? Because he is a star.
The state can never straighten the crooked timber of humanity. I'm a conservative because I question authority. Conservative Revolutionary
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I think back in JFK's time, it was not that unusual for rich people to "have people for that" so to speak. JFK had some pretty serious back problems, so for years his only sexual outlet was oral sex. He didn't want Jackie to do that, hence the "girlfriends". I bet Jackie was quite happy that somebody else would be taking care of that! She could just concentrate on high fashion and cultural events.
But in general, you are right. Obama was a real outlier. Most other politicians of every Party and Office are a horny bunch. Newt was getting BJs at the same time he was going after Clinton for that, and he cheated on every wife with the next one, before divorcing them. My local Congressman, Duncan Hunter, is about to go on trial for illegal campaign spending including taking random bimbos on ski trips. That's the main reason his wife took the plea deal and turned state's evidence.
I think there is some heady feeling of power and privilege people get when they get elected, that makes them think they don't have to follow the same rules as everybody else.
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Then you didn't even quote Trump accurately on his comment about grabbing women. Here is what he said. "I'm automatically attracted to beautiful [women]—I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything ... Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything." While saying that was crude and tasteless it is also, unfortunately, true. Why do you think that 70 year old Mick Jagger can have an affair with a 20 something woman? Because he is a star. If the above quote is true then so is the "Grab them by the pussy". Thus, making President Donald (>>>) Trump a sexual predator, a serial sexual predator. As for Mick Jagger dating younger women, Fame and Fortune are powerful attractors to the young and naive. While May and Pleistocene romances are weird, as long as both parties are consenting adults, it is not illegal or sexual predation. There is a difference between Jagger and President Donald (...) Trump. Jagger dates adults, consenting women. In comparison, President Donald (...) Trump, "Grabs them by the pussy" and walks in on teenagers changing cloths. Both are acts of a sexual predator And people support, protect and defend this guy? Where is their moral compass???
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What you are missing is that the motive you ascribe to me is of temious provenance. Are you taking the position that Trump is not obviously a paragon of corruption? No, what I ascribe to you is your erroneous belief that because most of the Republican Senators will not vote to convict and remove Trump from office they are corrupt. Whatever ethical difficulties Trump might have the Republican Senators, and some Democratic Senators, will not vote to convict because they want to stay in office. While that might be considered corruption by some it is unfortunately politics as usual. I imagine there are still quite a lot of folks out there trying to decide since the Democrats set out to destroy Trump the day after the election if all of this is nothing more than a partisan political vendetta for losing an election or if Trump has indeed committed serious crimes worthy of impeachment.
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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