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The Looming Storm
The Trump WH has laid down the gauntlet. They will not cooperate with the impeachment inquiry. So the House has no option but to file subpoenas. The WH response will be to ignore the subpoenas. The House then goes to court to enforce the subpoenas. The courts agree and order the WH to comply. The WH then gives the court the middle finger.
There is actually nothing the House can do to force compliance.
But that is not all. Sen McConnell says he will short circuit the impeachment process in the Senate by calling for dismissal as soon as procedurally possible. If he has a whip count of 51, the impeachment trial is over.
Folks, as long as we have been a republic people have voluntarily complied with the law. We are now in a situation in which the whole executive branch of government will not comply and the Senate will be complicit.
If you do not believe that is a real crisis, then you have slept through the Trump occupation of the WH.
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You did not mention Dir Comey's interjection into the campaign. As soon as I saw it I said he just killed her chances to win.
I think I understand her her reluctance to have too many pressers early. She still had to combat Benghazi and emails. If she had been on every show every day those would have been the first questions. That she did a poor job of answering those questions is her fault.
There were lots of reasons she was a poor candidate but certainly you can not be saying Mr Trump was a better candidate??? In 2016 we the people of the United States of America had the two worst candidates for President we have ever had! Trump was a better campaigner he was not a better candidate. Hell, anyone on the Rant who fits the Constitutional requirements to be our President would have been a better candidate than either Clinton or Trump.
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You did not mention Dir Comey's interjection into the campaign. As soon as I saw it I said he just killed her chances to win.
I think I understand her her reluctance to have too many pressers early. She still had to combat Benghazi and emails. If she had been on every show every day those would have been the first questions. That she did a poor job of answering those questions is her fault.
There were lots of reasons she was a poor candidate but certainly you can not be saying Mr Trump was a better candidate??? I thought both of them sucked. That either one, whomever won would leave this country in worst shape once either one left office than when either one first entered. I voted against both. I viewed the situation as voting for either one was voting for harm to this country. That I couldn't do.
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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You did not mention Dir Comey's interjection into the campaign. As soon as I saw it I said he just killed her chances to win.
I think I understand her her reluctance to have too many pressers early. She still had to combat Benghazi and emails. If she had been on every show every day those would have been the first questions. That she did a poor job of answering those questions is her fault.
There were lots of reasons she was a poor candidate but certainly you can not be saying Mr Trump was a better candidate??? In 2016 we the people of the United States of America had the two worst candidates for President we have ever had! Trump was a better campaigner he was not a better candidate. Hell, anyone on the Rant who fits the Constitutional requirements to be our President would have been a better candidate than either Clinton or Trump. I agree. Trump was full of energy, Clinton lackadaisical at best. Her campaign was ho hum. Trump's enthusiastic.
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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the two worst candidates for President Let's see unethical businessman, pzzy grabbing white supremacist narcissist as candidate v. a lackluster with more than competent government service candidate why would I choose candidate #1? o yeah I know ... stick a thumb in liberals eyes (it's the old frak you, even if it destroys America gambit) and he is the voice of the white bigotry of a huge chunk of the Republican Party. It's too bad my long time fav Republican has never run for public office. I had no choice but to vote for candidate #2
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As opposed to Mr Trump's extreme narcissistic arrogance????? really???? I guess always vote for the buffoon and guess what you'll get. I think it is interesting that 9 million people choose to vote for a candidate they didn't know, no name recognition, didn't know what they stood for if they stood for anything, no money, no media, completely unknown just an unknown name on the ballot instead of choosing between Trump and Clinton. Or put it this way, instead of trying to figure out who was the lesser of two evils or who was the least worst candidate or which candidate would do this country less harm. The fact that 6% of all Americans choose to register their votes against both major party candidates tells us quite a lot of what most Americans thought about them. The only ones who liked them were their supporters. In 2012 1.5% voted third party, in 2008 1.2% and in 2004, 1.0%. The number of folks who voted against both major party candidate quadrupled since 2012 and was six times higher than in 2004.
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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The Trump WH has laid down the gauntlet. They will not cooperate with the impeachment inquiry. So the House has no option but to file subpoenas. The WH response will be to ignore the subpoenas. The House then goes to court to enforce the subpoenas. The courts agree and order the WH to comply. The WH then gives the court the middle finger. Didn't the Nixon White House do the same thing? How did that work out...  When Donald Trump is Impeached, depending if the Republican Senators are patriotic or not and convict him and he's removed from Office, Trump's base on various Disqus sites keep threatening a Civil War if Trump is removed from Office. Remember good and decent fellow Americans, the Conservatives are the ones with the AR-15s.  Trump's base keeps saying the military will support them in their effort, I say the military won't. 
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As opposed to Mr Trump's extreme narcissistic arrogance????? really???? I guess always vote for the buffoon and guess what you'll get. I think it is interesting that 9 million people choose to vote for a candidate they didn't know, no name recognition, didn't know what they stood for if they stood for anything, no money, no media, completely unknown just an unknown name on the ballot instead of choosing between Trump and Clinton. What evidence do you have to support this claim? I cannot believe that people voted for Johnson or Stein not knowing anything about them simply because they were not a Clinton or Trump.
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As opposed to Mr Trump's extreme narcissistic arrogance????? really???? I guess always vote for the buffoon and guess what you'll get. I think it is interesting that 9 million people choose to vote for a candidate they didn't know, no name recognition, didn't know what they stood for if they stood for anything, no money, no media, completely unknown just an unknown name on the ballot instead of choosing between Trump and Clinton. What evidence do you have to support this claim? I cannot believe that people voted for Johnson or Stein not knowing anything about them simply because they were not a Clinton or Trump. We can start off with this. "One in Four Americans Dislike Both Presidential Candidates." https://news.gallup.com/opinion/pol...ans-dislike-presidential-candidates.aspx25% of all Americans disliked, didn't want neither candidate. Of course only 6% voted third party, the remaining 19% went with in their mind the lesser of two evils or the candidate they least wanted to lose. This also included 54% of all independents who disliked or had an unfavorable view of both candidates. In fact on election day, 57% of all independents viewed Trump unfavorably, held a negative view of him. 70% of independents had a negative view or unfavorable view of Clinton. Questions 10 and 11. https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/l37rosbwjp/econTabReport_lv.pdfTrump wan't liked by independents, but Clinton was much more disliked than Trump enabling him to win the independent vote and thus the white house. Nationwide 56% of all Americans didn't like Hillary or had an unfavorable view of her vs. 60% for Trump. Both major party candidates set the record for the highest unfavorable's ever. They smashed the record which had been previously held by Goldwater back in 1964 at 47%. In fact, Trump and Clinton are the only two major party presidential candidates to ever have been viewed unfavorably by over 50% of all Americans. Here's the list Highest to lowest favorable/unfavorable ratings of each major party presidential candidate. Favorable/unfavorable 1956 Eisenhower 84/12% 1964 LBJ 81/13% 1976 Carter 81/16% 1960 JFK 80/14% 1960 Nixon 79/16% 1968 Nixon 79/22% 1976 Ford 79/20% 1972 Nixon 76/21% 1968 Humphrey 72/28% 1984 Reagan 71/30% 1980 Carter 68/32% 1984 Mondale 66/34% 1980 Reagan 64/31% 1992 Bill Clinton 64/33% 2008 Obama 62/35% 2012 Obama 62/37% 1956 Stevenson 61/31% 2004 G.W. Bush 61/39% 2008 McCain 60/35% 1992 G.H.W. Bush 59/40% 2000 G.W. Bush 58/38% 2004 Kerry 57/40% 1996 Bill Clinton 56/42% 1988 G.H.W. Bush 56/39% 2000 Gore 55/45% 2012 Romney 55/43% 1972 McGovern 55/41% 1996 Dole 54/45% 1988 Dukakis 50/45% 1964 Goldwater 43/47% 2016 Hillary Clinton 38/56% 2016 Donald Trump 36/60% Then you had an CNN exit poll who asked third party voters who they would have voted for in only a two candidate race, no third party candidates. 19% answered Trump, 16% answered Clinton, 65% said they would not have voted.
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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What that polling reflects, in my view, is the polarization of the polity. I'm willing to bet if you dig into the numbers that the disapproval rate of the opposing party skews the results. It's the Reagan-Gingrich effect: the opposition party is "the enemy" and can do no right. It's the same reason that the Senate is so dysfunctional.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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