Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues Politics In General Where have all the conservatives gone?

Criminal Convictions by Administration: Past 50 Years

LBJ – 0
Nixon – 55
Ford – 1
Carter – 0
Reagan – 16
H.W. Bush – 1
Clinton – 1
Bush – 16
Obama – 0
Trump – 4 (so far)

TOTAL:
Republicans = 95
Democrats = 1

Given these numbers, why would anyone vote for a Republican Administration to run our government?

Well, at least we have Perotista.
I tried to lure Felis Leo over here.
So far no joy, but I will keep trying.

I take this you're still trying to find out where all the conservatives have gone. Are you talking about this site, there I can't help you, I just arrived. In general, we're still around. There's quite a lot of conservatives who don't consider Trump one of them. Even some Republicans don't consider the eight time party switcher a Republican. He's more of an egotistical opportunist in my book.

Trump really doesn't have a political ideology or philosophy. At least that is my opinion. I'm more of a traditional conservative, but we've been replaced by neo, religious and social conservatives. We still hold to our values.

What I think is right now the old type, style traditional conservatories don't have a political party to call their own. I tell you this, most of us are neither pro or anti Trumpers. Although we are sitting back enjoying the fight between them. For us, me I probably should say, neither pro or anti Trumpers are conservatives.

Anyway, good night.

Yes. I suspect it is more "silent" than "majority" but the conservatism of my past was not loud or bombastic, but conservative. I have always believed that there is value in preservation - you shouldn't see my house! - but I'm definitely not a believer in stasis for stasis' sake. So, in general, I have sympathy for conservative inclinations. My lament has been that the label is being applied to views that are everything but "conservative".

If one delved into the political views of traditional conservatives and classic liberals, they're quite similar. This country was founded on the backs of classic liberals. The classic liberal ceased a long time ago, the traditional conservative is a dying breed.

Times change and so do political philosophies.

Indeed, this country was founded during the Age of Enlightenment. There's nothing enlightened about conserving the status quo.

If I were to post a comment and to back it up I used a conservative source the source would not be accepted because it is a conservative one. When conservatives source are automatically rejected not many conservatives will want to join the Rant. BTW, according to your signature James Madison was an authoritarian. Federalist Papers #10

Madison, advocated for a Constitutional Republic; the form of government we have. A form he believed would prevent the failings of a "pure democracy" and the failings of a Republican forum of government.

In Federalist 10, Madison is talking about how the form of government prevents a factious government that is most likely to be in a pure Democracy (like ancient Greece) or a pure Republic (like ancient Rome). Madison supported a mixed form of government, the Constitutional Republic; he believed this forum protected against the previous forms failings.

Your source is a publication by an individual, a biased individual. One who has cherry-picked his facts and then expands upon those select items. A more neutral source would be better and far less biased, For Example The Avalon Project

Exactly what Madison was talking about in Federalist 10 is in the Title of that paper "The Same Subject Continued
The Union as a Safeguard Against Domestic Faction and Insurrection"
From the New York Packet. Friday, November 23, 1787.
MADISON
and of Federalist 9 titled "The Union as a Safeguard Against Domestic Faction and Insurrection "

Should read them for yourself, they can confuse you and change your mind, or just plain give you more ammunition for your positions.

I’ve been thinking about this. There are conservatives, especially traditional conservatives that don’t like Trump. But they see no alternative coming from the Democratic Party, perhaps viewed as the more evil or worst choice than Trump. We already know that Trump and Clinton set the record as the most disliked major party candidates ever or since Gallup and Pew Research started keeping track of these things.

It’s interesting to note that 16% of self-identified conservatives voted for Clinton in 2016, 16% also voted for a Democrat for congress in 2018. That’s not bad when one considers only 8% of Liberals voted for the Republican candidates.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls

Then you have 21% of conservatives giving Trump a somewhat favorable view instead of very favorable. Question 71A. Possibly meaning they’re not enthralled with Trump, but he’s probably better than the Democratic alternative. 8% of conservatives have a somewhat unfavorable view of Trump, 11% very unfavorable. It’s this latter 19% in my opinion that could easily vote Democratic in 2020 along with enticing some of the 21% somewhat favorable with the right candidate.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/x3neaunoh2/econTabReport.pdf

I’ve always classified myself as a Goldwater conservative with some of Perot thrown into the mix. More or less a traditional conservative. What I have seen is this group, my group have remained quiet during Trump’s presidency. Mostly sitting, watching, listening. Pretty much what I have done. Most are in neither the pro or anti Trump camps. But are looking for an alternative to Trump. So far the Democrats have failed to come up with an acceptable alternative. Hillary certainly wasn’t. So we’ll sit on the sidelines and wait to see how 2020 plays out.

I dunno...to my notion it appears to be pretty much a done deal. Unless trends change dramatically, Warren will continue to rise and Trump will lose to any Democrat. Donald Trump is not "shrinking" government, he is not adhering to any conservative principles that I am aware of unless chaos is among them. Republicans will vote Republican regardless of how bad their candidate might be. Democrats will sit home if they haven't got a candidate they like.

But Democrats are united against Trump. You won't see many sitting home or voting third party this time around. Can Trump's base overwhelm this tsunami? I don't think so.