Originally Posted by Greger
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So we’ll sit on the sidelines and wait to see how 2020 plays out.

I dunno...to my notion it appears to be pretty much a done deal. Unless trends change dramatically, Warren will continue to rise and Trump will lose to any Democrat. Donald Trump is not "shrinking" government, he is not adhering to any conservative principles that I am aware of unless chaos is among them. Republicans will vote Republican regardless of how bad their candidate might be. Democrats will sit home if they haven't got a candidate they like.

But Democrats are united against Trump. You won't see many sitting home or voting third party this time around. Can Trump's base overwhelm this tsunami? I don't think so.
I think you're right. It will be Trump vs. Warren. If so I will vote third party once again. I can't see replacing someone I dislike with someone else I dislike and disagree with her policies. One is as good as the other to me or as bad ala 2016.

It's all a matter of personal perspectives. Independents are deeply divided when it comes to their vote. Question 53. 25% the democratic Candidate, 32% Trump, 18% state it depends which I take it as meaning their vote depends on who the Democrats nominate. This despite that 44% of independents don't want Trump to run for reelection, only 36% do. Question 89. Of course all of this is very dynamic and changes constantly. This far out it means little. We don't know how impeachment will fair and there are always other major events that will happen that can reshape the race.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/x3neaunoh2/econTabReport.pdf

Interesting in comparing Warren to Trump among independents. 14% view Warren very favorably, 14% somewhat favorably, 12% somewhat unfavorably and 31% very unfavorably. Although she has a lot of growing room with 29% in the don't know column. She could use that 29% to increase those who view her favorable or they could join the unfavorable crowd. Question 44R.

Trump, Question 71A is seen very favorable by 22% of independents, somewhat favorable by 19%, somewhat unfavorable by 13% and very unfavorable by 36%. Only 11% fall into the Don't know column, so I imagine his number won't change much.

I have this gut feeling it is Warren the Trumpers want him to face in 2020. Warren doesn't have much charisma, neither did Hillary. I'm not sure how her far left policies and stances will play with the more moderate independents, those whose political philosophy falls in-between the left and the right. If they even pay much attention to them.

In short, I'm not ready to concede 2020 to Warren beating Trump. Not yet. I will concede that at the moment it seems she would. But it would be really close.

It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.