Originally Posted by Greger
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If you think Warren and Sanders are mainstream, in the center political ideological wise, well...

Mainstream? You mean more of exactly what we've had for the last 40 years? Mainstream is what got us where we are and mainstream is what will keep us here. As near as I can tell you are perfectly satisfied with government and don't want to change a single thing about it.

No, they are not mainstream and that's exactly why we need them. Mainstream has gotten us into an oligarchy. Mainstream has brought us near fascism, it has brought us a filthy polluted planet, it has brought us global climate change, it has brought us income inequality not seen since the Gilded Age. Mainstream just shot a woman in her home in Fort Worth. Mainstream has failed utterly to deliver the American Dream to any but the wealthy.

I'm kind of over this mainstream crap. I'm long since done with Centrism and centrists kicking cans down the road and never accomplishing anything. I'm not a fringe leftist. I'm not a socialist.
I'm just an old man who is sick and tired of a government as impotent as myself, a useless entity that funnels money to the wealthy and f***s everybody else square in the arse.

Why are you so afraid of change? Does a 2% tax on wealth over $50Million threaten you somehow? Do you feel sorry for the poor billionaires? Or do you stand on Constitutional principles that insist all taxation is theft? But theft from the working class by the oligarchs is perfectly okay? Mainstream has stolen the lives of millions of working Americans. Mainstream has destroyed families. Mainstream has driven everyone so far into debt that they'll never see the light of day.

It's not the right nor the left who have delivered us into this nightmare. It's the Center and their overarching need to just leave things alone and let them take care of themselves. To propose half assed measures that never seem to accomplish anything. Bold action is needed and centrists will never ever deliver it.

**I haven't even had my coffee yet!**

No offense intended, Pero, nothing personal, just enjoying an early morning rant.

I hope you enjoyed your coffee. I did this AM. I don't take offense or make these things personal. It's basically entertainment, reading these posts are interesting, good conversations usually follow, then every once in awhile I learn something new. I enjoy your posts, whether I agree with them or not.

I grew up under Eisenhower, not someone one could call being right or left, a conservative or a liberal. Especially not in today's sense of what those words apply. I still rank him as the best president in my lifetime.

Yeah, in a way I don't like change. I'm still using windows 7 on my computer because I'm comfortable with it. Besides I don't need all the gimmicks windows 10 has to offer. I'd never use them. I have a flip cell phone, one you can call out on and receive calls. No smart phone or I phone or whatever.

I enjoyed Obama's last six years since he was basically a caretaker president that had to use his phone and pen to accomplish anything. His first two years got my dander up.

What I'm looking for come 2020 is not someone with bold new ideas to upset the apple cart. Just someone who will provide steady, reliable leadership. More like IKE than FDR. Certainly not a Trump, Hillary, Warren or Sanders. Yes, Biden would do nicely. Although I would prefer a much younger person.

Now I won't be voting for someone I would be very uncomfortable having as our next president. If that means another third party vote, so be it. That is totally up to the Democrats to determine. Actually I have voted third party five times in presidential elections beginning in 1968 when one had to be 21 to vote. whether I voted third party, Republican or Democratic, I wouldn't change my vote.

It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.