Originally Posted by Greger
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My political goal is to get a viable third party established to counter the extreme left and right politics of our two existing major parties.

And Senator Hatrack's goal is a return to Federalism. Neither is going to happen. I don't quite understand your imagining that Democrats are anything like "extreme left" There are perhaps half a dozen legislators who lean slightly left. The rest are entrenched centrists and most fit the corporatist neo-liberal profile which is more right than left.

Warren is by no means a lefty, has no interest in social democracy and less in socialism which is the very definition of leftism. I'm not even sure Republicans are really all that "far right". They want good jobs with good pay too. They want medicine, education, and social security checks when they get old. They want a roof over their heads and they want to feel safe and secure in their own homes. The same things that everyone wants.

I'd say the primary difference between the two is that republicans believe that if business is left to its own devices it will create a healthy, wealthy economy that will bring prosperity to all.

Democrats on the other hand feel that business has been remiss in spreading the wealth around to the workers and protecting the environment. Thus it must be regulated heavily to bring about a healthy, wealthy economy that will bring prosperity to all.

You may judge for yourself which party has chosen the right path.

There is no viable third party in our future. There is no return to a simpler past. If we make the wrong choices now there may well be a very dismal future awaiting us. Joe Biden is the wrong choice for democrats just as Trump was the wrong choice for republicans.

Warren is actually the centrist you are looking for. Someone who can return the applecart to its upright position and gather what apples are still marketable and make cider from the rest. She's not looking to own the conservatives nor to veer the ship of state hard to port. She wants to help working Americans regardless of their party affiliation, religion, sexual preference, or skin color.

Not your cup of tea helping the downtrodden or raising anyone's wages, or providing healthcare, education or free lunches for schoolchildren as those would be extreme measures. Are you a proponent of churches and charities handling all that or are you a bootstrap kinda guy who thinks folks should just take care of themselves to keep your taxes to a bare minimum?

I've mentioned before that Biden will do nothing, he has no agenda, no plan, no platform. Low fat, low sugar, low sodium. Just plain oatmeal for me please! But he can beat Trump because Obama.

Most recent poll(ipsos i think) places the empty smelly suit well ahead of Warren, and even Sanders leading her by one point(21, 16 and 15% respectively. With a margin of error at 4 points, Warren and Sanders are essentially tied and Biden is ahead by somewhere between 2 and 10 points. Meaningless as far as I'm concerned because it leaves about half the voters unaccounted for, divided among the single digit candidates and no one at all.

Here, I like going by RCP averages.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e...cratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

If you think Warren is a centrist, that just shows me how far left you are. Those of the far left or far right for that matter always think they're mainstream. More or less in the middle. Now I think the rise in independents from 30% in 2006 up to 40% today shows that finally folks are getting tired of the constant movement left and right by our two major parties. There comes a point in time when one or some say, that's far enough, goodbye. Perhaps independent is the wrong word, swing voters may be more apt. Those who aren't hog tied to either party. Free thinkers more or less. Those who aren't ideologues as members of both major parties have become.

Yes, I long for the past when the two parties would work together via compromise, playing the game of give and take. Instead what we have today is anything proposed by Democrats the Republicans are automatically against, anything proposed by a Republican, the Democrats automatically are against. Merits of the proposal doesn't matter, just who proposed it.



It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.