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The only place where there is rampant racism in the Republican Party is in the minds of Democrats.
Yes that is precisely the exact talking point from the Republican Party, the party of Lincoln. Only it has not been the party of Lincoln since at least the 1960's. I guess you never heard of the Southern Strategy.

Originally Posted by wiki
In American politics, the Southern strategy was a Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters in the South by appealing to racism against African Americans.
Please don't tell me this is a lie or liberal propaganda.

In a study of the 2016 election the authors "found support for Trump “was strongly linked to how Republican voters felt about blacks, immigrants, and Muslims, and to how much discrimination Republican voters believed that whites themselves faced.”"

The problem is how Republicans apparently define racism. As one Trump supporter said, Mr Trump doesn't own a black slave. Or to say it another way, Republicans define racism so narrowly that only the use of the word "N&&&R" qualifies as being racist.

So NO!!!! your belief, and that is all it is, a belief, racism does not exist in the Republican Party, is some delusion you want to believe, unfortunately it is simply not true nor valid. And here where I live, where The Trump Base resides, they are all 100% racists.

Very sad ... and even more sad when party leaders continue to use the phrase "The Party of Lincoln" as if the Base is something other than racist. What do you think all those elected Republicans fear?

But don't take my word for it. Take the word of the KKK or the neo-Nazis. They understand completely what Mr Trump is talking about, and he speaks their language.
I could tell you what you think is Nixon's Southern Strategy is a lie but you wouldn't believe me. And probably won't believe Pat Buchanan either, even though he was there when it happened. Here is Buchanan's explanation of why what you believe about Nixon's Southern Strategy is not true. Real Clear Politics
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The Democratic Party was the party of slavery, secession and segregation, of "Pitchfork Ben" Tillman and the KKK. "Bull" Connor, who turned the dogs loose on black demonstrators in Birmingham, was the Democratic National Committeeman from Alabama.

And Nixon?

In 1956, as vice president, Nixon went to Harlem to declare, "America can't afford the cost of segregation." The following year, Nixon got a personal letter from Dr. King thanking him for helping to persuade the Senate to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1957.

Nixon supported the civil rights acts of 1964, 1965 and 1968.

In the 1966 campaign, as related in my new book "The Greatest Comeback: How Richard Nixon Rose From Defeat to Create the New Majority," out July 8, Nixon blasted Dixiecrats "seeking to squeeze the last ounces of political juice out of the rotting fruit of racial injustice."


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Hat, you are so busy shouting your partisan mantras that you forgot I was the one that brought up Wilson's racism. As a reminder, here's what I said:
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I am now confident that there is no depth that Trump will not plumb in his quest to be the most corrupt President in US (and most of the world's) history. It's like he is trying to push every button he can in the quest for impeachment - emoluments, self-dealing, lying, politicizing foreign policy, giving Putin every advantage he can, betraying every ally - and not just "not hiding it" but shoving it in everyone's face. He is more arrogant and less principled that Andrew Jackson, more corrupt than Harding's entire cabinet, more criminal than Nixon, more racist than Woodrow Wilson or Andrew Johnson, less competent than Polk or Coolidge or Bush Jr. Frankly, there is no aspect of any of the worst, most contemptible White House occupants that Trump has not exceeded by a mile. He is a one-man constitutional crisis.

And don't believe for a moment that I've forgotten that your diatribe was intended to cover for the distraction from the merit of my post with irrelevant and inaccurate characterizations, as is your wont. I take that to mean you concede the rest of the descriptions and just want to harp on racism. I don't understand why that motivates you so much. I know what really pisses you off isn't my beliefs at all, but the embarrassment you feel for the utter vacuity of your posts.

I'd genuinely wish you a nice day, as is my wont, but that would detract from your preferred state of just being pissy. Really. Get a grip, man.

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I could tell you what you think is Nixon's Southern Strategy is a lie but you wouldn't believe me.
Yes I do not believe you because of the facts. I do not sympathize with people who are incapable or unwilling to be objective. You have a choice.

Originally Posted by Joseph Alsop
basically a segregationist strategy

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When Republican Barry Goldwater ran for president in 1964, his Southern surrogates played up the fact that he had just voted against the Civil Rights Act. That paid off in the Deep South where he won a handful of states

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Republican nominee Richard Nixon reached out to white Southerners by opposing school busing and promising that his administration would not "ram anything down your throats" and would appoint "strict constructionist" Supreme Court justices.

Originally Posted by Clarence Townes
There’s a total fear of what’s called the Southern strategy. Blacks understand that their wellbeing is being sacrificed to political gain. There has to be some moral leadership from the president on the race question, and there just hasn’t been any.

Originally Posted by Lamar Alexander
SOUTHERN STRATEGY — we flat out invited the kind of political battle that ultimately erupted when we named a Democrat-turned-Republican conservative from South Carolina. This confirmed the Southern strategy just at a time when it was being nationally debated

Originally Posted by Kevin Phillips
If the New Washington liberal crowd could tear themselves away from Watergate ecstasy and the lionizing of Daniel Ellsberg for a little look-see below the Mason-Dixon line, they might glean a useful political insight, namely that the GOP 'Southern Strategy' seems to be rolling along — and rolling up local victories — just as if G. Gordon Liddy had never existed

Originally Posted by Kevin Phillips
The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.

Originally Posted by Lee Atwater
So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites

Originally Posted by Ken Mehlman
By the ‘70s and into the ‘80s and ‘90s, the Democratic Party solidified its gains in the African American community, and we Republicans did not effectively reach out. Some Republicans gave up on winning the African American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong

Overwhelmingly have historians and Republicans seen the Southern Strategy up close and personal. So you can take your disbelief and indignation down that delusional road you conservatives live on.


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I think the Senator lives in Minnesota. A lily white state if there ever was one. They still struggle with racism.

According to the most recent ACS, the racial composition of Minnesota was:

White: 83.75%
Black or African American: 5.95%
Asian: 4.66%
Two or more races: 2.81%
Other race: 1.74%
Native American: 1.05%
Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander: 0.04%

But I'm sure the Senator has many black friends which is the hallmark of the "I'm not racist" Republican. I'm also sure he has seen Confederate flags plastered on pick up trucks because slavery was cool and coloreds are low class, unintelligent, subhumans who deserve no respect.

Or maybe he doesn't even know a black person and doesn't even begin to understand the plight of all dark skinned Americans and the Republicans lack of concern for anything but the interest of businesses and the very wealthy. Unless those businesses are minority owned,then they are pariahs, much like black men who own weapons or look like they might own weapons, or are playing videogames with their nephew in their own homes as policemen shoot through the windows with no warning. Anybody wanna bet who the cop voted for?

Coulda been either party, right? Riiiiight...LOLs


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I admit, I find it difficult to resist responding to posts that are informed by ideological purity and a resistance to rational construction, historical facts, and reason. I can get acidic in my derision. It isn't good for conversation, comity or my blood pressure. To that end, I will endeavor to ignore the distractions and refocus on the central themes. I'll try to shorthand dismissal of irrelevancy and falsehood, intentionally asserted or not, unless they are strictly germane.

The topic of this thread is "the impeachment of Donald Trump." I was, initially, resistant to it for pragmatic reasons, as was Nancy Pelosi. But, Trump's increasingly erratic and dangerous behavior has made it a constitutional necessity. As the Syrian betrayal and Doral grift have demonstrated, he can do too much damage too quickly to be ignored. It's now the only responsible course.

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Originally Posted by Senator Hatrack
I could tell you what you think is Nixon's Southern Strategy is a lie but you wouldn't believe me. And probably won't believe Pat Buchanan either, even though he was there when it happened.

No he wasn't. He was in Washington.
I lived in the Deepest Heart of Dixie for THIRTEEN years.
Senator, both you AND Mr. Buchanan are engaging in another right wing weapons grade batch of historical revisionism.

In other words, both of you are lying, but what's interesting is, only Mr. Buchanan got PAID to lie.

What's your excuse?


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Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
I admit, I find it difficult to resist responding to posts that are informed by ideological purity and a resistance to rational construction, historical facts, and reason. I can get acidic in my derision. It isn't good for conversation, comity or my blood pressure. To that end, I will endeavor to ignore the distractions and refocus on the central themes. I'll try to shorthand dismissal of irrelevancy and falsehood, intentionally asserted or not, unless they are strictly germane.

The topic of this thread is "the impeachment of Donald Trump." I was, initially, resistant to it for pragmatic reasons, as was Nancy Pelosi. But, Trump's increasingly erratic and dangerous behavior has made it a constitutional necessity. As the Syrian betrayal and Doral grift have demonstrated, he can do too much damage too quickly to be ignored. It's now the only responsible course.

At this point, his conduct as POTUS has become so erratic that I find that my most nightmarish fantasies are given to flight sometimes.

What if he really DOES try to start a world war?
He really could do it, you know.
And at this stage of the game, with him behaving like some caged rabid vermin, there isn't much I would put past him.
And from the look of it, all the grownups have left the building.


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Originally Posted by Greger
I think the Senator lives in Minnesota. A lily white state if there ever was one. They still struggle with racism.

According to the most recent ACS, the racial composition of Minnesota was:

White: 83.75%
Black or African American: 5.95%
Asian: 4.66%
Two or more races: 2.81%
Other race: 1.74%
Native American: 1.05%
Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander: 0.04%

But I'm sure the Senator has many black friends which is the hallmark of the "I'm not racist" Republican. I'm also sure he has seen Confederate flags plastered on pick up trucks because slavery was cool and coloreds are low class, unintelligent, subhumans who deserve no respect.

Or maybe he doesn't even know a black person and doesn't even begin to understand the plight of all dark skinned Americans and the Republicans lack of concern for anything but the interest of businesses and the very wealthy. Unless those businesses are minority owned,then they are pariahs, much like black men who own weapons or look like they might own weapons, or are playing videogames with their nephew in their own homes as policemen shoot through the windows with no warning. Anybody wanna bet who the cop voted for?

Coulda been either party, right? Riiiiight...LOLs

Pffftt, I lived in Minnesota for five years, Minneapolis.
There's five million souls in Minnesota and most of the racial and cultural diversity one encounters is in Minneapolis and St. Paul.

I know the neighborhood he lives in because it was MY neighborhood, South Minneapolis, around Lake Street.
It's actually a fairly diverse area, certainly the most diverse in the state.
So there is really no excuse for his prattling on the issue, and if he doesn't have a diverse group of friends, it would be by personal choice.
You can't live in the Twin Cities and not encounter diversity.
In fact, Minneapolis is home to Little Earth, the largest urban Indian reservation in the world.
And then there are the Hmong, a very fast growing segment, the Somalis and the East Indians.

Now, if you were to talk about the Iron Range, or Duluth, or Cambridge, Brainerd, etc...then you could say it's very insular and very white.
Because that's the area in Minnesota that is lily white.
The only part of the Twin Cities that really is "lily white" is "Nordeast". (Northeast Minneapolis)

Back when I lived up there, Nordeast was where all the bikers liked to live.

No no, if you live in the Twin Cities, diversity is indeed a fact of life. Don't let the demographic tables fool you. The Twin Cities just might be one of the more diverse large cities in the country.



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According to the most recent ACS, the racial composition of Florida was:

White: 75.67%
Black or African American: 16.13%
Asian: 2.68%
Other race: 2.64%
Two or more races: 2.54%
Native American: 0.28%
Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander: 0.06%

Don't much matter where you live in Florida. Diversity is everywhere.

Plenty of confederate flags here too and they say one thing to everybody...I'm a republican arsehole and I hate black people...

Okay that's two things but they're generally synonymous.

I don't think the Senator is a racist, but I also don't think he fully understands just how racist his party has become. It's a denial thing. Once he gets past it he'll drop that nasty party like a rock. It's up to us to help him along.


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