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Originally Posted by rporter314
Chris Wallace says a well connected Republican says Republicans who would vote for impeachment is about 20%. I believe my thought a week ago or so was 10-20%.

There is some movement for sanity in the GOP.
Republicans are sane only when they agree with rporter314. But he is not biased or partisan. He isn't partisan and the sun isn't hot.


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When people say asinine things I will call them out. It is not partisan. It is stating the truth and validity of saying something asinine.

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He just automatically jumps to the conclusion
I did not automatically jump to anything. Please note the chronolgy of comments

first, I say I do not know. I do not know. and continue with off the top of my head could someone be talking about Mr Trump? I do not know.

second, I guess ... it is a wild guess as I can not think of any recent propaganda campaign except the one directed against Pres Obama by right wing nuts. Don't you remember .... homosexual, Kenyan, Moslem, communist. Almost daily I heard that crap on Beck, Berry (local right wing nut), Hannity, and Limbaugh, and occasionally Levin. Do you deny these folks had entered into a propaganda campaign against Pres Obama???? So while it was a guess in the context of WHO say it. It was a guess.

third, I am still curious so I again restated (notice the emphasis in doubling down on my curiosity) my question, who said it.

The only one jumping is you.


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why would you think it sane for any elected official to maintain the indefensible??? I guess I could have said they are stupid, but I know most of them are not. So my only option is they are intentionally or unintentionally irrational trying to support the statement, the apple is not an apple. In an Orwellian universe it would make sense and apparently it makes sense to you. but for rational folks that universe is not viewed as real. It is delusional. It is the world of irrational folks. So when people from that universe admit the apple is an apple. I am forced to conclude they have been cured of their political irrationality or they have become sane.

Now none of this has anything to do with politics. It is based on the widespread acknowledgement that an apple is an apple.

My comment was a note that I had previously noticed a shift in Republican thinking which had nothing to do with what I am thinking, and Chris Wallace corroborated by note with factual numbers from real sources. Please notice it had nothing to do with what I think about impeachment.

This is a serious problem trying to discuss anything with conservatives. You yourself ( notice again how I re-emphsized the "you" part of that) had commented that people will misinterpret what has been said. You sir do it quite often.


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Originally Posted by rporter314
why would you think it sane for any elected official to maintain the indefensible??? I guess I could have said they are stupid, but I know most of them are not. So my only option is they are intentionally or unintentionally irrational trying to support the statement, the apple is not an apple. In an Orwellian universe it would make sense and apparently it makes sense to you. but for rational folks that universe is not viewed as real. It is delusional. It is the world of irrational folks. So when people from that universe admit the apple is an apple. I am forced to conclude they have been cured of their political irrationality or they have become sane.
Only in your biased opinion is opposition to the impeachment of Pres. Trump indefensible.

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Now none of this has anything to do with politics. It is based on the widespread acknowledgement that an apple is an apple.
It has everything t do with politics. With the exception of Richard Nixon, which started as political but soon turned into a Constitutional crisis, every time there has been an attempt to impeach our President it has been political.

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My comment was a note that I had previously noticed a shift in Republican thinking which had nothing to do with what I am thinking, and Chris Wallace corroborated by note with factual numbers from real sources. Please notice it had nothing to do with what I think about impeachment.
If those Republicans had thought the attempt to impeach Trump was a bad idea you would have either condemned them for being against it or you would not have mentioned it. Every comment you make about this has to do with what you think about the attempt to impeach Trump.

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This is a serious problem trying to discuss anything with conservatives. You yourself ( notice again how I re-emphsized the "you" part of that) had commented that people will misinterpret what has been said. You sir do it quite often.

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The problem is yours rporter314. You have a problem when a conservative disagrees with you. When a conservative, like myself disagrees with you, you claim that your comments have been misinterpreted. When I have made that claim it was not because someone disagreed with me.


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Sen Hatrack,
Why did you post a quote from Gerald Ford about the impending impeachment of that criminal Richard Nixon? Was it because of the obvious parallel to the impeachment inquiry of that criminal Donald Trump?


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Why did you post a quote from Gerald Ford about the impending impeachment of that criminal Richard Nixon? Was it because of the obvious parallel to the impeachment inquiry of that criminal Donald Trump?
Because when Rep. Ford made the comment it was still a political attack on Nixon. Only later did it become the Constitutional crisis known as Watergate. He also made this comment.
Originally Posted by Gerald R. Ford
An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history.
That is an accurate comment about current House of Representatives.


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White House: Bill Taylor Testimony Part of a ‘Coordinated Smear Campaign’

There you have it folks, the Trump White House has gone full 'whiny little bytch.'

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You have a problem when a conservative disagrees with you
Not the case Senator.

However, I do have a problem with anyone of any political or non-political persuasion who says stupid stuff. Anyone who says you have to believe what I believe is saying something stupid. And if you say it about me, then etc etc

So lets examine what you believe is me disagreeing with your political beliefs and concluding I have a problem because of it.

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Only in your biased opinion is opposition to the impeachment of Pres. Trump indefensible.
WRONG!!!!!

I don't give a ratsazz if you are for or against impeachment. What I am concerned about is why you fail to recognize the criminal quid pro quo (QPQ) in the Ukraine phone call which has been corroborated and supported not only by multiple State department people but by Trump's own people. So why do you fail to see it????? That is what I find indefensible!!!!! (If Pres Obama had done the same things Mr Trump has done and said you would be the first one calling for impeachment. But wait ... if Pres Obama had done or said the same things Mr Trump has done and said, I would be standing next to you calling for his impeachment. I suspect I tolerate corruption in public less than you because I don't tolerate it for anyone of any political party).

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It has everything t do with politics.
You completely missed the point. I was speaking of the QPQ call. The apple is a metaphor. The QPQ is obvious. It is not an orange. It is a QPQ call. That it would become a Constitutional matter is irrelevant to the point I was making.

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If those Republicans had thought the attempt to impeach Trump was a bad idea you would have either condemned them for being against it or you would not have mentioned it. Every comment you make about this has to do with what you think about the attempt to impeach Trump.
I don't want to use the word but stu**d comes to mind.

My comment had nothing to do with whether anyone was for or against impeachment. My comment was solely a report on what I sensed in the Republican community. The commentary was regarding Republicans who finally saw the apple (QPQ call) for what it was.

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you claim that your comments have been misinterpreted. When I have made that claim it was not because someone disagreed with me.
Because they have been.

Conservatives misunderstanding anyone outside the conservative community is commonplace, so you are not the first. O and BTW liberals have a similar problem. I point out the misunderstandings for both ... because I am not a partisan.

Here is a problem I see with your logic. You say I am a partisan if I am for impeachment. So that would mean I am not a partisan if I am against impeachment, but you are an admitted partisan and you are against impeachment. So how can someone be both a partisan and a non-partisan at the same time???

The solution is obvious but you would not consider it. Use the facts. The facts do not care nor do they know whether you are a partisan or not.


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That is an accurate comment about current House of Representatives.
Now you should know better than that.

The Constitution does not spell out what an impeachable offense is other than in broad, open to interpretation, words. And the SC has never ruled on the meaning, so it is therefore up to ANY House to determine what is impeachable.

I suspect for you anything Mr Trump does is OK.

I believe that any president running a criminal conspiracy out of the WH should be impeached ...

So if that is not up to snuff for you, what exactly should an impeachable offense look like???? Here is a clue for consideration ... be very careful what you say because we may find in a couple of weeks Mr trump has done exactly that and I would hate to see you embarrassed and have to walk back your definition.


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