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PLAGIARISM!! 
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To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
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PLAGIARISM!! ??? Naah man, I am agreeing with you.
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Of course, the greatest compliment! 
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Okay, Trump's brain is officially demented: We're building a wall in Colorado. We're building a beautiful wall. A big one that really works. I doubt he's going to make it to 2020. It's going to be "resigned for health reasons", or Amendment 25 time. Then off he goes into a memory care facility. It's not funny any more. It's pathetic. Trump's daily shyte show is fatiguing. #TrumpFatigue Is Trump getting New Mexico to pay for Colorado's southern wall?  The whole point of the GOP stunt is to make the Impeachment procedure looks like a circus and thereby not taken seriously by the American public.  The Dems are very serious about impeaching Trump - trust me. 
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The whole reason for secrecy at this point in the investigation is so various witnesses can't coordinate their testimony. If you don't know what previous witnesses have told them and about documents they have, your best bet is to tell them the truth. Anybody who lies has a very good chance at a perjury conviction.
Republicans want it to be public so a cover-up can work. At this stage, police NEVER discuss what their investigation is finding. After they gather sworn testimony from everybody involved, THEN they present it all and they have a trial in the Senate. If they were releasing stuff, the Republicans would be screaming about "leaks". I expect they will as soon as it all comes out.
Trump is just making this worse by dragging it out. House Democrats are going to have to go through the multiple levels of courts until the Supreme Court tells Trump they can't get involved and he has to comply with House subpoenas. This will take months and months, so run the impeachment right up to the election.
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The current gambit used by Trump supporting Republicans is since the Ukrainians did not know the military aid was help up there is no QPQ. I suppose Trump supporters are buying this, so is there something to it? So what is the definition of QPQ? In general, Latin for "something for something." An exchange of acts or things of approximately equal value. I do not see anything about anyone knowing or not knowing about items in question. So just on the face of it, their claim is bogus. But we can examine it further. President Zelenskyy: We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps. specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.
Donald Trump: I would like you to do us a favor though ... Pres Zelenski already knows the aid has not arrived (it is being held up) so he says he is almost ready, meaning when the money arrives he will buy the Javelins. At that point Mr Trump completes the solicitation by saying implicitly, sure you can buy the Javelins, and now explicitly, however you need to do me a favor first. QPQ says something value for something of value, that is the equation. Javelins for investigation into 1) DNC & Crowdstrike and he continues with 2) the Bidens. It seems strange the DoJ would not consider oppo research into political rivals as having any value but every political operative knows oppo research has value and in some cases has great value. Apparently Mr Trump thought the investigations were worth $400M in military aid. Republicans have no leg to stand on if they try and parse the call, because the salient part of the call is the QPQ. Go with process Rep Ratcliffe.
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Trump lawyer: Trump can’t be prosecuted for shooting someoneIt's comforting to know that Barack Obama could have marched onto the floor of Congress, whipped out a Glock and shot that corrupt old codger Mitch McConnell after he decided to tell him "You will not select a Supreme Court justice." It's also frustrating as Hell. He could have done it and gotten away with it, and he should have. After all, if Trump is above the law, so was Obama. In fact, next Dem POTUS should carry several clips and just mow down the entire GOP Senate. Why stop at just Mitch? After all, if the President cannot be prosecuted, and can escape for life by a pardon, then clearly the thing to do is for the next Dem POTUS to exterminate the entire Republican House and Senate, get a pardon and walk free. Just carrying that lawyer's logic to its logical conclusion. Here is a "moderator" blatantly violating the forum rules!
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To Democrats who say that President Trump’s decision to freeze $391 million in military aid was intended to bully Ukraine’s leader into carrying out investigations for Mr. Trump’s political benefit, the president and his allies have had a simple response: There was no quid pro quo because the Ukrainians did not know assistance had been blocked. Another excuse bites the dust.
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Here is a "moderator" blatantly violating the forum rules! And which rules would that be? Jeffery is now our administrator, if you can clear up which rule he is violating he can change it.
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Here is a "moderator" blatantly violating the forum rules! And which rules would that be? Jeffery is now our administrator, if you can clear up which rule he is violating he can change it. corrupt old codger Mitch McConnell...
In fact, next Dem POTUS should carry several clips and just mow down the entire GOP Senate.
Why stop at just Mitch?
After all, if the President cannot be prosecuted, and can escape for life by a pardon, then clearly the thing to do is for the next Dem POTUS to exterminate the entire Republican House and Senate, get a pardon and walk free. He did not address Sen. McConnell with respect and suggesting that all Republican members of the Senate be murdered is extremely disrespectful of elected officials.
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