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It would be nice logtroll if you responded to what I said. What I said was that there were over 20,000 people in the Target Center for the Trump rally and about 10,000 who couldn't get in. The president claimed 20,000-plus, calling it a new record. It's possible, but hasn't been confirmed. That makes a precise count difficult. It’s fair to say that the crowd inside Target Center was around 20,000. These three quotes from the articles you posted links to agree with what I said. The article I posted a link to was about what the charges for the rally and who was going to pay them, not about the attendance at the rally. So the articles you posted links to back up what I said and did not refute the article I posted a link to.
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Senator ... your Sen Clinton citation is an apples and oranges comparison. Neo-conservatives/tea people used the slogan "you're with us, or you're against us" to pit one group of Americans against another. Sen Clinton used it to compare nations against the principles America stands for.
If you don't see the difference ... well ... that would be one of the reasons etc etc In regards to the invasion of Iraq the slogan "you're with us, or you're against us" was used to support it. So your feeble attempt at spinning it to attack "Neo-conservatives/tea people" is more of your hyper-partisan BS.
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"Every nation has to either be with us, or against us. Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price."
Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York)
During an interview on CBS Evening News with Dan Rather
September 13, 2001 Go to the link I posted and you can hear Sen. Clinton saying the above quote. Huh...interesting. Hillz said it on 09/13/01 and W said it on 09/20/01 for the first time. So W copied Hillz?  Thanks Senator.  ...but this does not negate that fact that Cheney used the phrase to get Iraq war votes in the Congress. 
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[quote=Sen. Clinton]"Every nation has to either be with us, or against us. Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price."
Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York)
During an interview on CBS Evening News with Dan Rather
September 13, 2001 Go to the link I posted and you can hear Sen. Clinton saying the above quote. Huh...interesting. Hillz said it on 09/13/01 and W said it on 09/20/01 for the first time. So W copied Hillz? Thanks Senator. ...but this does not negate that fact that Cheney used the phrase to get Iraq war votes in the Congress. V.P. Cheney didn't have to work very hard to get votes for the Iraq war. "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
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Hatrack, are you intending to make a point? I could use some clarification on what it might be.
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These three quotes from the articles you posted links to agree with what I said. The article I posted a link to was about what the charges for the rally and who was going to pay them, not about the attendance at the rally. So the articles you posted links to back up what I said and did not refute the article I posted a link to. FOX 9 crews stationed outside the arena saw a few hundred people watching the speech in an overflow area. The venue wasn’t full and only a few hundred were outside. Your source cited “facts” that weren’t true. Now, I suppose you could say that my “hyperpartisan bias” led me to check other sources to see that your source was unreliable, or you could say that their use of “alternative facts” makes your source unreliable. But you can’t say that I rejected your source simply on the basis of it being “conservative”.
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The only thing feeble is your lack of comprehension. The slogan had been long used by conservatives to separate people of different political persuasions. Either you agree with our conservative policy which they believe to be the real American policy or you are against it and are anti-American. That you did not comprehend that is just another example of selective conservative misrepresentation.
The only partisan in this conversation is you.
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The only point I see is the Senator has cherry picked citations which support his preconceived narrative, by taking quotes out of the broader context in which they would make sense.
This is a typical conservative tactic and then to finish it they accuse the other party of cherry picking out of context. If you listen to Hannity, Limbaugh, Levin, Steyn, etc that is typical.
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These three quotes from the articles you posted links to agree with what I said. The article I posted a link to was about what the charges for the rally and who was going to pay them, not about the attendance at the rally. So the articles you posted links to back up what I said and did not refute the article I posted a link to. FOX 9 crews stationed outside the arena saw a few hundred people watching the speech in an overflow area. The venue wasn’t full and only a few hundred were outside. Your source cited “facts” that weren’t true. Now, I suppose you could say that my “hyperpartisan bias” led me to check other sources to see that your source was unreliable, or you could say that their use of “alternative facts” makes your source unreliable. But you can’t say that I rejected your source simply on the basis of it being “conservative”. The article I posted a link was not and did not talk about the number of people in attendance at the rally.
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The only thing feeble is your lack of comprehension. The slogan had been long used by conservatives to separate people of different political persuasions. Either you agree with our conservative policy which they believe to be the real American policy or you are against it and are anti-American. That you did not comprehend that is just another example of selective conservative misrepresentation.
The only partisan in this conversation is you. The slogan "You're either with us, or you're against us." has been used for a very long time by groups of every ideological persuasion. In regards to the invasion of Iraq it was by both Republicans (Pres. Bush) and Democrats (Sen. Clinton) to support the invasion.
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