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Just as many Trump sycophantsCabinet members and White House appointees prostrate themselves before their Dear Leader, performing for an audience of one to remain in His Good Graces, it has to be remembered that Pelosi is seeking to persuade only 20 people: the 20 senators she needs to have Trump removed from office. She is bringing them on slowly, building public pressure so that they can see the stark political realities of supporting a corrupt leader. Either they support his removal, or encourage their own removal. And, this will not be a one-time thing, either. In two years there will be another election and opportunity to remind voters who supported the Constitution and who supported corruption. REPUBLICANS don't want another four years of Trump. They just don't know how to get rid of the tar baby.
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Executive privilege
Neither executive privilege nor Congressional presidential oversight are in the Constitution, so their authority is established through precedent. Both are the subject of court cases being heard today - Kupperman's duty to obey a subpoena from Congress vs Trump's orders to not appear; and Don McGahn's long-running refusal to testify before Congress regarding the Mueller investigation.
My understanding of executive privilege is that it applies to maintaining the confidentiality of conversations between the president and immediate advisors on issues pertaining to national security or the ability of the government to function properly.
While a case could be made that "taking down" a president is a matter that probably would have the effects listed above, if the confidentiality relates to wrongdoing then it stands to reason that any secret information needs to be revealed precisely to improve national security and proper functioning of the government.
Surely EP does not apply to covering up presidential crimes. But what will the courts say?
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In my reading, logtroll is right, Congressional Oversight of the President, is not directly mentioned or granted in the Constitution. However, it is implied. Here is the Supreme Court Decision that firmly established that Congress has the power of oversight: Watkins v. United States, 354 U.S. 178 (1957) and a Constitution Society article on the matter: Oversight Is a Constitutional Necessity, Not a Luxury. I am no lawyer, so I may be so far out in left field on my reading that being wrong would be a mercy.
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Rightwigers are getting their wish today: The House will vote on a formal Impeachment Inquiry for Donald J Trump Chief among this vote is to open the inquiry to public hearings. This will be a good thing for the American people to hear for themselves just what a lying crook Donald J Trump actually is. 
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Executive Privilege The privilege that allows the president and other high officials of the executive branch to keep certain communications private if disclosing those communications would disrupt the functions or decision-making processes of the executive branch. As demonstrated by the Watergate hearings, this privilege does not extend to information germane to a criminal investigation.[ed.]
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It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
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Just as many Trump sycophantsCabinet members and White House appointees prostrate themselves before their Dear Leader, performing for an audience of one to remain in His Good Graces, it has to be remembered that Pelosi is seeking to persuade only 20 people: the 20 senators she needs to have Trump removed from office. She is bringing them on slowly, building public pressure so that they can see the stark political realities of supporting a corrupt leader. Either they support his removal, or encourage their own removal. And, this will not be a one-time thing, either. In two years there will be another election and opportunity to remind voters who supported the Constitution and who supported corruption. REPUBLICANS don't want another four years of Trump. They just don't know how to get rid of the tar baby. Yeah they do, they just hate the notion of being forced to take that nasty cod liver oil twice in less than a century, twice in less than HALF a century, no less. They know it's gonna sting. The rest of the country will have to force them to stand in the corner for a time-out.
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It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
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They just don't know how to get rid of the tar baby. By the way, I am sensing a trend, maybe one of them thar innernet viral things. You're maybe the fifth person in a week that I have heard use the term "tar baby". You are clearly in good company, Mistuh NWP! 
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For you disbelieving conservatives: Andrew Napolitano explains all of Trump's shenanigans and criminality for you. Fox News Channel.com You're welcome.
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They just don't know how to get rid of the tar baby. By the way, I am sensing a trend, maybe one of them thar innernet viral things. You're maybe the fifth person in a week that I have heard use the term "tar baby". You are clearly in good company, Mistuh NWP! #TarBaby
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Nancy's resolution in the House passed with a final vote of 232 to 196. Pretty much along party lines with two Dems voting no. Collin Peterson (MN) and Jeff Van Drew (NJ) are the two Dems who voted against the bill. It's on conservatives. What are you going to bellyache about now?
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