Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues The Trump Administration POLL: Will Trump resign or stay and be impeached?

Any Republican senator up for reelection this cycle, if the trial and vote were to take place prior to the primaries would be defeated in the primaries if they voted to remove Trump. those not up for reelection doesn't have any worries about being primaried out. But most are from red states where Trump is still fairly popular.

As I said in a previous post, this becomes a numbers game. Playing that numbers game I'm not convinced the Democrats could get all 47 of their current senators to vote AYE to convict and remove. Jones, Alabama is up for reelection where Trump has a 60% approval rating. Voting AYE would doom what slim chances he has for reelection. Voting AYE would also be going against his constituents wishes, the very folks he is suppose to represent. Same for Manchin of West Virginia where Trump has a 61% approval rating. He isn't up for reelection, but an AYE vote would be going directly against the people of West Virginia's wishes and wants.

The way I figure it, for removal the Democrats need between 20-22 GOP senators depending on how Jones and Manchin vote. With polarization and ultra high partisanship, that just ain't gonna happen. Most red states who still support Trump have two Republican senators, most blue states who want Trump gone have two Democratic senators. The era when many states had one of each are long gone.

Bottom line, don't expect many Republican senators to vote AYE to convict and remove. Polarization has made this battle an us vs. them. 82% of Democrats think Trump should be removed from office vs. only 8% of Republicans. This shows you the partisanship and the polarization of the impeachment issue. Us vs. them. These numbers really haven't change much over the last year. Question 36

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Now independents have 40% for removal vs. 36% do not remove. This is a big change from three months ago when 28% favored removal to 45% against.

It wouldn't matter if the Senate whip count was stacked against him. Mr Trump is a narcissist. No Narcissist worth being called a narcissist would ever in this life or the next admit to a defeat. Mr Trump will never resign. Hell, he may not leave the WH under any circumstances.

The Democrats will have to present a case so egregious, no one could say it is just sex in the WH. Should that happen, it may persuade enough Republicans to vote their conscience and not their fealty to Mr Trump and his Base, to convict. As of now, if Mr Trump was Charles Manson, and there were tapes of him killing a family, the Senate would not convict.

I didn't vote for Trump I voted against Clinton. Which is how I will vote whoever is the Democrat's candidate. None of them have shown me any reason to vote for them.

Remember Trump beat 9 long time Republicans to win the nomination. It wasn't long time active Republican Party members, like myself, who supported him. It was people who had not been active in politics at allwho got active to elect Trump. People who were and are sick of the BS and intrusions into their lives by professional politicians.

Before anyone tries to say that these people are racists and white supremacists take a look at the rallies Trump is having. At the Trump rally here in the bluest Congressional District in blue MN, the 5th, if there had been any racists or white supremacists in the crowd it would have been front page news here. There weren't any! What did make the news here was the size of the crowd at it, how peaceful those who attended the rally were, and how violent the anti-Trump protestors were. The Target Center where the rally was held holds about 19,000. It was standing room only with another 10,000 or more who couldn't get in standing outside.

So you think that giving Trump another four years is good for our Democratic Republic over any Democrat running?

Um...we have - that is why we have labeled Trump rallies as "Klan rallies."

Simply because Trump has a Klan rally in a blue district doesn't mean that the attendees are District folks. It is known that Trump rally are filled with people who are bused-in.

Your honesty that Republicans put party over country is appreciated.

It is truly astounding how deluded that comment is! The idea that the people who organized the Trump rally could bus in 20,000 members of the KKK is ludicrous. There are probably not that many members of the KKK in the ENTIRE country! I have friends who went to the rally and the majority of the people who went to it drove themselves there in their own car or rode with friends. I can understand hating Trump but to claim that all of his supporters are members of the KKK is not a sign of rational thinking! If that type of thinking is widely accepted by the Democrats, if it is even given any credibility, than our country is in serious trouble!

I never wrote that all of the attendees were bused in, nor that all the attendees belonged to the KKK.

"Klan rallies" is a euphemism for bigotry and racism by me.

One not need to be a card-carrying KKK member to be a racist and bigot.

Trump's June 2015 announcement in part:


Further examples of Trump being a racist and bigot can be read here: Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2019

He will stay, be impeached and my gut feelings are starting to say he will be convicted. However, I am hedging my bets on conviction, today's republicans are nothing like the republicans back in Nixon's or Eisenhower's day. At least they put the country first.

Other than maybe Mit Romney, today's republicans are, like President Donald (...) Trump cowards. This includes Sue Collins, who I believed at one time was a good Republican and a solid representative of her state. I wonder what John McCain and Olympia Snow would say today?

To me, how he thinks, who, and what Donald (...) Trump is, is best illustrated by a NY Times article about the bankrupting of his Atlantic City Casinos.

“Atlantic City fueled a lot of growth for me,” Mr. Trump said in an interview in May, summing up his 25-year history here. “The money I took out of there was incredible.”


"In three interviews with The Times since late April, Mr. Trump acknowledged in general terms that high debt and lagging revenues had plagued his casinos. He did not recall details about some issues but did not question The Times’s findings. He repeatedly emphasized that what really mattered about his time in Atlantic City was that he had made a lot of money there.

The NY Times article.

It's not party over country, in my opinion that applies to both major parties. I still claim the Reform Party as my own although it hasn't been active in Georgia since the 2000 election. It's called self preservation. In 1974 the Democrats needed but 9 Republican senators, not the 20 that is needed today. You also had a lot of Republican senators in states that would be classified swing states and blue states today. Aiken VT, Pastore RI, Cotton NH, Chase NJ, Javits NY, Fong HI, Bayh IN, Griffin MI, Percy IL, are just some.

Today, polarization has taken place where you won't find but a couple of Republican senators in blue states and a couple of Democrats in red states. Swing states have dropped from 25 or so in 1974 down to around 8 today.

What I think you fail to realize is most Republican senators who would vote NAY on convict and remove would be voting the wishes and wants of the majority of people in their state because they represent a red state. Same for the Democrats voting AYE, they are going along with the wishes and wants of the people in the states they represent for the most part because they want Trump gone.

That only leaves around 8 senators from both parties that if they vote their party's position that would be going against the wishes and wants of the people in the states they represent. Isn't in a Democratic Republic, a Representative government the elected officials suppose to represent those who elected them, to listen to them?

There's a regional aspect to impeachment also with the folks in the Northeast and West Coast heavily favoring impeachment. Makes sense, those areas are heavily democratic. The South, heavily Republican do not. The Midwest and plain states split over the idea. Overall, while nationwide a plurality favors impeachment 45-41, independents are split 40-36 in favor, Democrats in favor 82-10 while Republicans in favor is at 8-85% favor/against.