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Originally Posted by Greger
I heard a rumor that Mitch McConnell is gonna ram it through as soon as it hits his desk. It could be done by Christmas.
There’s a lot of talk about the fact that Trump molested a teen girl. I know nothing about it. I hear that he molested a teen girl. I’m sure that somebody will be looking at that.

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could be and would make sense. If he does it early and fast it would prevent any possibility of witnesses testifying who have direct incontrovertible evidence of abuse of power. There can be little doubt Sen McConnell will do whatever it takes to preserve Mr Trump as leader of THE BASE.


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Originally Posted by pdx rick
Originally Posted by Greger
I heard a rumor that Mitch McConnell is gonna ram it through as soon as it hits his desk. It could be done by Christmas.
There’s a lot of talk about the fact that Trump molested a teen girl. I know nothing about it. I hear that he molested a teen girl. I’m sure that somebody will be looking at that.

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The problem with that Rick is at least half the population sees the corruption going on with both parties and has dismissed this impeachment trial as a ‘partisan witch hunt’.
They’re not totally wrong either.
I wish they had brought up charges other than the ones they have but now they’re stuck with it and any further allegations will be dismissed as partisan.
Had the Democrats brought real charges that the public agrees with, like emoluments, I think any follow on allegations would have a better chance of getting a hearing.

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Originally Posted by Greger
I heard a rumor that Mitch McConnell is gonna ram it through as soon as it hits his desk. It could be done by Christmas.

Possible. But it all depends on when the House passes the Articles of Impeachment and sends them to the senate.


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Originally Posted by chunkstyle
Originally Posted by pdx rick
Originally Posted by Greger
I heard a rumor that Mitch McConnell is gonna ram it through as soon as it hits his desk. It could be done by Christmas.
There’s a lot of talk about the fact that Trump molested a teen girl. I know nothing about it. I hear that he molested a teen girl. I’m sure that somebody will be looking at that.

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The problem with that Rick is at least half the population sees the corruption going on with both parties and has dismissed this impeachment trial as a ‘partisan witch hunt’.
They’re not totally wrong either.
I wish they had brought up charges other than the ones they have but now they’re stuck with it and any further allegations will be dismissed as partisan.
Had the Democrats brought real charges that the public agrees with, like emoluments, I think any follow on allegations would have a better chance of getting a hearing.

I hear you. Another problem I think is since the day after the election there's been so much partisan propaganda from both sides, a lot of independents have put the whole thing on ignore. No way to determine fact from fiction. It seems the Democrats let it be known as soon as Trump was elected they were going to do away with him.

For the most part, we know the Democrats want Trump gone, the Republicans want him to stay. Independents don't seem to be interested in the public hearings. To this question 7. Watched public hearings
Did you watch any part of the last set of public impeachment hearings?
69% of independents answered none.

Then to the question 6. Interest in public impeachment hearings
How interested are you in the public impeachment hearings? 47% of independents stated not interested at all, 34% say somewhat. Somewhat may be just getting the highlights on the news and then going about your normal business.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/u9tu99dui5/econTabReport.pdf

It seems this whole dog and pony show is just for Democrats and Republicans. They're the only ones showing any type of real interest with the GOP not so much compared to the Democrats.

Regardless of what one thinks of Trump, what he deserves or doesn't, the vindictiveness shown by Democrats against Trump since the day after the election most likely has caused a high number of independents to chalk all of this up as partisan politics and they have put the whole thing on ignore.

That is what the numbers are showing.


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Regardless of what one thinks of Trump, what he deserves or doesn't, the vindictiveness shown by Democrats against Trump since the day after the election most likely has caused a high number of independents to chalk all of this up as partisan politics and they have put the whole thing on ignore.

That is what the numbers are showing.


Trump Derangement Syndrome. We saw the same thing when Obama was President. In a sense this is revenge politics.

They impeached Clinton
We hated Bush
They lynched the Obama family
We're impeaching Trump


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Had the Democrats brought real charges that the public agrees with, like emoluments, I think any follow on allegations would have a better chance of getting a hearing.
That hotel alone should be enough to do the trick. But yes, these charges, just like the obstruction charges, simply aren't enough for the public to get behind.


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the vindictiveness shown by Democrats against Trump since the day after the election
wow ... and you missed Rep Boehner and Sen McConnell's almost exact same remarks regarding Pres Obama's agenda?

I think vindictiveness would be more like some petty political matter i.e. policy differences which devolve into food fights. The use of public funds for private, personal gain is clearly not in the same the Washington DC Vindictives Ballpark.

Remember, it was about one year before the nuts started calling for the impeachment of Pres Obama. And consider the reasons .... talk about crazy ... they were crazy and had nothing to do with actual Constitutional violations. Mr Trump has had possible Constitutional issues from Day 1.

So not quite the same.


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So not quite the same.
No, they had to make up sh*t about Obama. Trump delivers it fresh to our doorstep every morning.


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