Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues The Trump Administration The Impeachment of Donald trump

One more time, about half of America think Trump has committed crimes, the other half think he hasn't. If you think someone hasn't committed a crime, you don't vote to send him to the gallows. We've been at a juncture where 6 members of the jury thinks the guy is guilty, the other 6 innocent. Each side is convinced they're right. One side will never understand how the other side thinks guilty and vice versa. Hung Jury.

Impeachment is a political process, like any political processes and votes, there will be repercussions. What they will be I haven't the slightest idea. But we'll find out in November of Next Year.

Except it's not a referendum. There are 100 opinions that matter.

The verdict will be straight down party lines, with one person on either side defecting. Total.

I would agree but you have disregarded the context of why Senate Republicans will not vote for conviction. It's not that they can not see the impeachable offense ... it is they understand the political repercussions if they say anything about it. Those are two different animals. And that was the point in my post.

The polls could show 90% of Americans would vote for conviction but that does not mean Senate Republicans would convict. They would still have to face .... {{{{{THE BASE}}}}}.

Hence my comment on the senate voting 98% along party lines.

could be two democrats, Jones Alabama and Manchin West Virginia where Trump approval is at 60% plus. Perhaps as many as 4-5 GOP senators, but you're right. It will be pretty much along party lines.

Self preservation, they would if their jobs depended on it. But I disagree with your premise that they see that Trump has committed impeachable offensives. Almost all senators are party animals for sure. The vote in the senate will be pretty much along party lines. Foregone conclusion. But most GOP senators don't see where Trump has committed an impeachable offense. At least not in what I've read, heard or listened to. They view impeachment as a partisan political vendetta trying to over turn a legal election.

This, the Democratic side can't understand, the Republican side can't understand why the Democrats are going after Trump. This isn't set in legal terms, but as a political process which impeachment is. Perhaps Trump could be convicted in a court of law, maybe not. But impeachment is played out in the political arena, not the legal arena.

In the political arena, both parties are close to equal strength. The Democrats have an advantage of 31-28% over the GOP if Gallup is to be believed. That means both parties must woo independents. On impeachment, independents are split right down the middle, roughly 45-45 with the remaining 10% not giving a darn one way or the other.

There are hard, set, feelings about this on both sides. Feelings set in concrete. That isn't about to change.

I think you are probably right, insofar as the Democrat and Republican voters are concerned, kinda. On the other hand, pretty much proven in another topic, that the Democrats are so busy fighting with one another, up to the point of actually not voting against Trump, that they may get their wish for 4 more years of Trump. I know, they will deny, but the end result of their battles can easily end up with 4 more years of Trump.

Its kinda like the current crop of Democratic candidates. I no longer waste my time on the 'debates' as they are, pretty much, a waste of time. The candidates rarely even mention their opponent, Trump, as they seem more dedicated to wrecking their Democratic opposition instead.

One can only wonder...................

Greger said something about "burning the MF-er to the ground".

Yes, I'd love to burn the MF-er to the ground, let me put my disabled wife and son on the front line so at least they will go quickly and painlessly.
Okay, ready now, hand me the blowtorch, because with them gone, I have nothing left to lose.

What? I don't want to lose them yet?
Dammit, I guess I'm a fascist lover!

I think unless the Democrats nominate the wrong candidate, ala 2016 with Hillary Clinton, they should win easily. I would say after Trump, Americans, especially independents are looking for someone who can provide steady, reliable leadership. A return to normalcy so to speak. Not someone with fancy huge, gigantic new ideas. I realize this isn't what the Democrats want to hear, but I think it is true. Who that candidate is, that is up to the Democrats to decide.

I think Obama is correct, after all he has been elected twice as president. The Democrats do have an advantage, Trump isn't liked much by independents. But this was also the case in 2016. 57% of independents disliked Trump, but 70% disliked Clinton. Question 10 and 11.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/l37rosbwjp/econTabReport_lv.pdf

This enabled Trump to win the independent vote and thus the white house. If I were a Democrat, I'd be looking for someone to provide that steady, reliable leadership that independents are looking for. Not someone who is planning on pushing this country 50,000 miles to the left with a lot of new government programs. New huge government programs work for the Democrats base and left leaning independents. Maybe not for those independents looking for common sense leadership after the chaos of Trump's. Trump will get his vote, the democrats theirs. The question is what are the swing voters looking for and how does one attract them?

What worries me is that the democrats may not have learned the most valuable lesson from 2016. That to those non-affiliated, less to non-partisan voters, call them independents, perhaps swing voters for the lack of a better word, phrase, candidates matter.

It seems to me, because they will be running against Trump that quite a lot of democrats think they can throw anyone out there and still win. The election is in the bag, guaranteed victory. I don't think that is the case. Time will tell.

Here is something that can change everything. Apparently the trump attorneys have agreed to send their appeal of the Trump tax thing to the supremes which will, then, in theory, "The court’s action signals that, even as Congress considers impeaching Trump, the court will undertake a more complete consideration of the legal powers of Congress and state prosecutors to investigate the president while he is in office."

I think this means that several things will be decided. The first is whether the Trump packing of the Supreme Court works for him. This is one everybody would like to know. If they do not decide in Trump's favor AND give the house the power to get folks to testify who have refused so far we will be in an entirely different world.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...c-0d79-11ea-97ac-a7ccc8dd1ebc_story.html