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And then Comey announced that emails had been found on Mr. Dik Pix's computer two weeks before the election...

I saw nothing in those polls that I would assume victory.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e...eral_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

The polls predicted a 3 point win for Hillary in the popular vote, she won by 2. With a margin of error of plus or minus 3 points, the polls were right on as far as the popular vote goes.

The electoral college was different, RCP had it 203 Clinton, 164 Trump with the rest too close to call or predict.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html

Was she looking at the same polls we were or at internal polling which the public doesn't have access? She probably did the same thing as I did, due to the history of the states I automatically gave Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada and Iowa to Hillary. Boy was I wrong about Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Iowa. I never seen those states coming.

Jones and Manchin are republicans in all but name.

That was the 2% I was talking about.

Hmm, DINO's huh? You just hit on my major problem. I'm so use to having Republicans dub so and so a RINO, not so much a Democrat as a DINO. I was taught way back when in civics class that those officials we elect are support represent the people who elected them. In other words, Representatives, the people of their districts, senators the people of their state. First and foremost I might add. It sounds like you don't like that. That you think our elected officials should only represent their political party and not the people. Toe the party line.

Manchin and Jones if they were to vote NAY on convict and remove, would be doing exactly what the people of West Virginia and Alabama want them to do. Representing the people of their state instead of the DNC or the Democratic Party. The same applies to Collins, Maine, Gardner Colorado, a couple of other Republicans, if they represent the people of their state instead of their party, they'll vote AYE to convict and remove. If they don't, they just representing the Republican Party and not the people.

I'll never be a political party animal. Not when I must show more loyalty to the party then to the people of my district, my state, America as a whole. There was a time when representatives and senators listen to the people, not anymore. It's the party leaders that call the shots, most heed exactly what the party leaders order, walk that line like a mindless robot bowing to the party leaders. Not caring about the wishes and wants of the folks in their district and state. Basically telling them to go to Hades in a hand basket.

No wonder we are so divided, so polarized today. Our elected official most just listen and obey party leaders. Not the folks they supposedly represent.

huh????

A Senate trial is not representing a state regarding new legislation. They are jurors who represent the nation ... the whole of America ... in accordance with the Constitution. That any senator would rely on polling or what their constituency believes or wants them to do does not sound like those senators ever listened to the evidence.

I did not read the rest of your post as I now believe the Great Experiment is a failure. We should dissolve the union, break into the various states, and become 50 3rd rate countries. We deserve it.

Going into the last 11 days of the campaign she had a 6-8 advantage despite all the reasons she "lost". So imagine if she had done everything right, she would have had a 12-15 point advantage, and yet, you again have ignored the Comey effect.

It was palpable long distance over the inet. I felt it and sensed dropping numbers as soon as Dir Comey finished talking.

If the Senate vote to convict and remove could be held in secret, we wouldn't even be having this discussion, we'd be measuring the drapes in the Oval Office.

I remember that very moment.

Yes, Sanders polled well in 2016, but that was only because the Republicans never said a word against him. They wanted him to win the nomination because he would have been so easy to defeat. Had he become the candidate, they would have gone into hysterical red-baiting mode. The fact that he self-labelled as a Socialist for so long would be on everybody's mind. Then a few weeks before the election, they would have dragged out some of his early writing in which he expressed some sympathy for teenagers convicted of sexual crimes. So they would add "PEDOPHILE" to "COMMUNIST" and by the election he would have been lucky to get 10% of the vote.

Personally, I love Bernie and I would be happy to live in the country he envisions. But candidates with a gigantic boat anchor chained around their necks don't win. All Hillary had in her past was that Republicans smeared her for 30 years. Bernie had real stuff.

If the other party is functionally insane, that is not an unsound philosophy.