Originally Posted by Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted by perotista
We're closing in on a month's of hearings. Here is the public's response to those hearings by comparing 13 Nov numbers when the hearings began to today's. There's really been little change except the hardening of views whether Trump should be impeached and removed or not. Make of these numbers what you will.

Impeachment hearings began on 13 Nov 2019 vs. 10 Dec 2019
Trump’s approval 13 Nov 43.9%, 10 Dec 44.6%

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

13 Nov Democrats for impeachment and removal 82%, 10 Dec Democrats for impeachment and removal 86%.
13 Nov Republicans for impeachment and removal 12%, 10 Dec Republicans for impeachment and removal 7%.
13 Nov Independents for impeachment and removal 38%, 10 Dec Independents for impeachment and removal 44%.
13 Nov Democrats against impeachment and removal 6%, 10 Dec Democrats against impeachment and removal 9%.
13 Nov Republicans against impeachment and removal 80%, 10 Dec Republicans against impeachment and removal 89%.
13 Nov Independents against impeachment and removal 39%, 10 Dec Independents against impeachment and removal 45%.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e...and_removal_of_president_trump-6957.html

Not all that much different than the dynamic in 72-74-74 if you remember. Then suddenly...blammo, the dam broke and Nixon impeachment support spiked dramatically.

People finally figured out that we were in trouble.

The official impeachment hearings on Nixon began 9 May 1974 although the house gave the judiciary committee permission to investigate on 6 Feb 1974. So 9 May 1974 equates to 13 Nov 2019 when both official hearings on impeachment began. At least in my mind.

At the end of May 1974 after the official or formal hearings begun, 3 weeks worth, you can compare the numbers Nixon Democrats for impeachment and removal 59% for, 27% against to Trump's Democrats for 86%, 9% against. Republicans for impeachment and removal Nixon, 19%, against 70%, Trump, for 7%, against 89%. Independents for impeachment and removal 43%, against 42%, Trump 44% for, 45% against.

Above is comparing the numbers after 3 weeks of formal, official hearings on Nixon vs. 4 weeks for Trump.

Now I realize we're talking two different eras, Nixon and Trump's. Back in 1974 we weren't as polarized as we are today and there wasn't the record breaking ultra high partisanship either.

Another huge difference if Nixon's had gone to trial in the senate, the Democrats needed only 9 GOP senators to vote to convict and remove. The Democrats controlled the senate along with the House. Today, the Democrats will need at least 20 Republican senators, more than double Nixon's amount. I think that is a pipe dream in today's polarized and I will use the word hateful of the other party environment. I personally don't think all 47 democrats will vote to convict and remove. I can see two who may not. That means 22 Republican senators.

With me, it's all about the numbers. Numbers have no personal feelings, they state what they state. Now other may interpret them differently, that's normal.

Once the articles of impeachment are passed by the current House, we then can compare numbers with those of 30 July 1974 when the House passed three articles of impeachment against Nixon.

It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.