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It’s now clear that the most damaging course for Trump is to not have the Senate trial, at least not until a bigger shoe drops and a conviction is likely. Mitch gave Pelosi the perfect reason to withhold sending the articles over (his declaration of intent to be dishonest and cheat the process. Until he made that miscalculation) he probably should have risked a fair trial, which was a highly probable win - he was in the catbird seat.
Trump is an impeached president now, with no hope of redemption in the general public’s eye. For the election, that’s a big target on his back that’s all bullseye.
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It’s now clear that the most damaging course for Trump is to not have the Senate trial, at least not until a bigger shoe drops and a conviction is likely. Mitch gave Pelosi the perfect reason to withhold sending the articles over - his declaration of intent to be dishonest and cheat the process. Until he made that miscalculation - he probably should have risked a fair trial, which was a highly probable win - he was in the catbird seat.
Trump is an impeached president now, with no hope of redemption in the general public’s eye. For the election, that’s a big target on his back that’s all bullseye. Very well could be. But I doubt it will have much effect on the election. Everyone of us tend to look at an event as a game changer. which it might be for a few days, even a couple of weeks. Then everything returns to normal. Just like it was prior to the event that was suppose to be a game changer happening. Americans have a very short memory. Most Americans aren't political junkies like us on this site. This impeachment has been a very polarized and very partisan event, happening. You can see that with this, going by RCP averages, not a single poll which can be skewed. Impeachment hearings began on 13 Nov 2019 vs. 22 Dec 2019 Trump’s approval 13 Nov 43.9%, 22 Dec 44.5% https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html13 Nov Democrats for impeachment and removal 84%, 22 Dec Democrats for impeachment and removal 84%. 13 Nov Republicans for impeachment and removal 12%, 22 Dec Republicans for impeachment and removal 9%. 13 Nov Independents for impeachment and removal 38%, 22 Dec Independents for impeachment and removal 41%. 13 Nov Democrats against impeachment and removal 6%, 22 Dec Democrats against impeachment and removal 10%. 13 Nov Republicans against impeachment and removal 80%, 22 Dec Republicans against impeachment and removal 88%. 13 Nov Independents against impeachment and removal 39%, 22 Dec Independents against impeachment and removal 46%. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e...and_removal_of_president_trump-6957.htmlWhat I think that will have much more effect on the upcoming election than impeachment is Trump's obnoxious, bullying persona. He's a very easy man to dislike, usually folks don't vote for someone they dislike. That is unless they dislike the other fellow as much or more than Trump. In 2016 Hillary had all the political baggage, Trump was the new comer, a complete unknown except for his in your face campaign style which turned out to be his real personality. The spoiled brat, the five year old who throws temper tantrums and calls others names like his parents failed to teach him any manners. This time around, it will be Trump with the most baggage depending on who the Democrats nominate. I'm not saying the democrats shouldn't win, they should. But that impeachment won't play a major part in it, a very minor part if any. It will be Trump very unpresidential behavior that will cause his doom.
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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Nearly every day there is drip...drip...drip...of new #TrumpCorruption. If Congress doesn't take Trump out, is it too wrong to hope that a stroke will? 
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Remember, we currently have the best economy since, I think, 2001. We are talking about JOBS! Jobs rule. I know, some don't really make enough to live off a single job, still, a job is a job and its ALWAYS #1! In other words, beating Trump is going to be a bitch as jobs tend to top just about anything you can find.
The more they get on Trump the better chance the Dems have to beat him. In addition, if they actually find anything, it means the Dems can go after the Republican senators, and house members, for backing the lying jackass with more authority. (congressional members tend to not enjoy the benefits of the job thing as much as the president - have nothing to back that on but its what I think <g>)
The Dems need ANYTHING they can find! Pelosi is absolutely right in what she is doing and I pray she doesn't give in with any alacrity.
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The Dems need ANYTHING they can find! Pelosi is absolutely right in what she is doing and I pray she doesn't give in with any alacrity. Did you see this post on the previous page? Trump froze Ukraine aid 90 minutes after speaking to Zelensky on July 25, 2019 — and budget office told Pentagon to keep quiet. "Based on guidance I have received and in light of the Administration's plan to review assistance to Ukraine, including the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, please hold off on any additional DoD obligations of these funds, pending direction from that process. ... Given the sensitive nature of the request, I appreciate your keeping that information closely held to those who need to know to execute direction."
— Excerpt of a July 25 email from Office of Management and Budget official Mike Duffey to OMB and Pentagon officials, obtained by the Center for Public Integrity
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I've always said, long before I joined this site. That if the Democrats nominate someone who is attractive to the independent voter, they'll win in a landslide and take back the senate. If the Democrats nominate someone who isn't, who is as disliked as Trump is or more so, another 2016 is certainly possible.
2016 was unique in that neither side tried to attract the independent voter. The end result was Trump winning independents 46-42 over Hillary with 12% voting third party. Against both major party candidates, some 9 million voters in all.
Trump still hasn't paid one lick of attention to independents. Will whoever wins the Democratic nomination do so this time around? Learn from Hillary's mistakes. She spent way too much time trying to placate Sanders voters than paying any attention to the independent voter.
For the Democrats the old political adage goes stay left during the primaries, then move toward the center during the general election. Hillary stayed left mainly because of Sanders supporters who were angry over the rigged primaries by the DNC and Democratic state party leaders in Hillary's favor.
My advise, although I'm no Democrat. Have honest primaries and once you have a nominee, move toward the center ideological wise. Work on those 9 million independents who voted against both Clinton and Trump as we already know they don't like Trump much. They can be had with the right candidate and the right political strategy.
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It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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I'm not saying the democrats shouldn't win, they should. But that impeachment won't play a major part in it, a very minor part if any. It will be Trump very unpresidential behavior that will cause his doom. You get the clappy hands for seeing the truth of it. The impeachment really won't matter. It's just another in a series of unfortunate events...this weeks episode of the tragicomic reality show that is the Trump administration. Viewers will decide at the end of next season whether we will see more exciting new episodes...
Good coffee, good weed, and time on my hands...
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Nearly every day there is drip...drip...drip...of new #TrumpCorruption. If Congress doesn't take Trump out, is it too wrong to hope that a stroke will? I have a little doll I made with a long red ribbon for a tie. Old straw for hair, painted yellow, and a dawb of orange for a face. I occasionally prod at it with a needle. Next Samhain I'll sacrifice a rooster and burn them together in a bone fire. It's darker magick than I usually dabble in but really not much different from "thoughts and prayers".
Good coffee, good weed, and time on my hands...
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I'm not saying the democrats shouldn't win, they should. But that impeachment won't play a major part in it, a very minor part if any. It will be Trump very unpresidential behavior that will cause his doom. You get the clappy hands for seeing the truth of it. The impeachment really won't matter. It's just another in a series of unfortunate events...this weeks episode of the tragicomic reality show that is the Trump administration. Viewers will decide at the end of next season whether we will see more exciting new episodes... I've said all along 2020 is an election for the Democrats to lose. A lot depends on who the Democrats nominate and what kind of campaign strategy that candidates puts forth. I personally think with the right candidate, the Democrats follow that time honored axiom or adage of campaigning left during the primaries, then move toward the center during the general. They'll win rather easily.
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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Let's see ... the Democrats could nominate a liar ... a fraud ... tax cheat ... womanizer who gets extorted ... white supremacist ... etc
I guess you're right ... it will be a vote between who is the biggest greatest criminal or amoral slug to run for office ... yes I can see it will be a tough decision
ignorance is the enemy
without equality there is no liberty
America can survive bad policy, but not destruction of our Democratic institutions
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