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Hillary stayed left during the general election campaign trying to placate Sanders supporters. Which in turn enabled Trump to win the independent vote and thus the White House.

If the majority of independent voters are hard right voters who will brook no movement towards the left then we are already f*cked.

At least those of us who think we seriously need to move a little to the left right now.

Everybody who welcomes fascism and authoritarianism should be pleased as punch that Trump will serve another four years. Neo Nazis, neo confederates, neocons and neolibs will all rejoice that corporate needs will forevermore come before the needs of the people.

Why ever would any independent ever vote against Trump? Look at the economy! Look at all the jobs! Look at the stock market for heaven's sake! Look how great everybody is doing right now! A move to the left would surely destroy us and independent voters saw that in 2016 and will see it again this time around.

They saved us from Hillary and they will save us from that left wing nutjob Biden.

Pero...I think you've gotten things wrong on this. Sanders might have beaten Trump handily. Clinton didn't "lose" because she was too far left...she won by 2.65 million votes in case you had forgotten. It was a wicked twist with regards to the location of a few of those voters which installed Trump as our ruler.

Some say it's because she didn't campaign enough in certain areas that cost her the race. That she read the polls and arrogantly chose not to go there because they were rightfully hers. Comey's announcement alone might or might not make the difference. Misogyny among male voters could have done it.

Your claim that it was because she went an nth of a degree too far ideologically is why she lost the race just don't look like enough to hang your hat on.


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