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I fear you are missing something here. The simple fact is that the independt are not dedicated lefties and those candidates running on the far left will not get their vote. This has been proven, time after time. So, the candidate, to be appealing to the independent, can't be continuously selling free everything pie in the sky. That stuff should be saved for AFTER getting elected! The only two candidates that are actually doing that are Bloomberg and Steyer. However, if either of them get the nod the purist lefties will cause a huge uproar and, then, just as happened with Bernie they will not vote. If the Dems engender a massive vote, however, that might not matter as the purist democratic lefties are not actually a huge percentage of Democratic party. Bernie and Warren, for instance, will not get the independent vote and will lose to Trump. That is, I believe, a simple fact.

A lot of the problem is the media and what they cover. They will cover, to exhaustion for instance, any little battle within the Democratic party with gusto as they LOVE to cover political bickering of candidates. This is not helpful (I think its just plain wrong but tv, for instance, knows what people want to watch and the voting public seems to dote on that sort of thing.) My wife watches Sunday Political Shows. They go on and on. If there is a mean spirited Republican available he will get the time to state his/her fantasies. They are rarely called for flat out lying. My own thought on that kind of stuff is that it should be delayed by the couple of minutes most can be truth checked and then reported if there is a problem. If they did that there would be fewer Republican talking heads which would not break my heart. I can go on and on with this one but I betcha most understand this one.

My main fear is that the Dems are going to run somebody who simply cannot get the independent vote. As far as I can tell few Democrats are even thinking past the dreamland of the left with all that free stuff. The very attitude that nary a one actually understand that stuff paid for with taxes is NOT free! Their problem is that the independents don't buy that one. There have been a pile of polls that prove that one.

I am all for the inspiration thing but, first, they have to inspire more than a small group of lefty purists who are determined to REALLY screw it up to make some kind of point. My main fear is that they are going to get their way and we will get to have another 4 years of Trump. After that I am not so sure we won't have him for the rest of his life. Please remember, the numbers Trump has, amongst voters are almost exactly the same as those Hitler had when he took over. These are dangerous times!

Again, I am not against all that the purists want to do, I just wish they would stop preaching it until they win and that, obviously, just isn't going to happen. My main hope is that Trump screws up bad enough to get replaced without killing us all in the process.

Oh, I would prefer either running billionaire to the current crop of non-billionaire candidates. This preference is based on who I think can really beat Trump, especially concerning his economic figures. Nobody with the current economy has ever been beat, as far as I can tell - not a single one. The Dems gotta get smart if they are to win and, so far, they are failing, big time.

My problem is that I don't think the Dems are going to choose somebody that can beat Trump. I do know that the extreme lefties are turning off a lot of the independents (including myself). I think much of this has to do with purity (basically, I am right and the rest of the world is wrong and if I don't get my way I won't play crowd). I am probably being to mean spirited in this one but I have been watching it for a long time and its just getting worse.

We are, pretty much, in agreement.

My problem is that I don't think the Dems are going to choose somebody that can beat Trump. I do know that the extreme lefties are turning off a lot of the independents (including myself). I think much of this has to do with purity (basically, I am right and the rest of the world is wrong and if I don't get my way I won't play crowd). I am probably being to mean spirited in this one but I have been watching it for a long time and its just getting worse.

Its very strange. The system was setup to have 2 sides. That's it. Third parties have come and gone with vigor and just can't get a grip. If I am right then there are 2 choices. No more no less. I kinda like it as it forces sides to work together. I am, yet again, just wrong. We are in a state where nobody wants to give an inch. My problem with that one is that is not the way its supposed to be. Nobody has to give up anything, all everybody has to do is agree on which side they want to win then vote for that side. This time I would think that was an easy one but I guess not. All the rest is personal minutia which the side itself should work out. Its kinda like having a house burn down with the kids inside and mom and dad are fighting over what TV show to watch.

Its truly bizarre. I would vote for either Steyer or Bloomberg with no problem at all. I would also vote for the Democratic choice with no problem. Besides those two I don't think any of the others can take out Trump. I do know that the lefty purists don't stand a chance against him.

Oh, I have been wrong a lot on this stuff and I certainly hope I am dead wrong about all of this. The whining I hear about the billionaires buying the election are not exactly help in all of this either. Given that most of the other candidates are not exactly in the poorhouse one can only wonder. I don't think, incidentally, that Steyer or Bloomberg can be called self servers out to enrich themselves as they have both, as far as I am concerned, proven that they are sincere and capable of beating Trump. (at least to me)

Hillary was a lousy candidate. I thought she would probably make a great president but it didn't happen. She was so maligned that large segments actually believed she is a monster. She never fought back once and was above it all I guess. The Republicans spent literally millions of dollars trying to nail her and failed. I always thought that might say something about the malignment - I was wrong about that too <sigh>

Based on numbers you have shown, it appears these are national polling numbers. I don't need a poll to "know" a dead ham sandwich will beat Mr Trump in a national poll. What people need to know is what polling shows for the current battleground states i.e. it's about the electoral votes ergo an electoral poll.

Punch some holes in those IBM cards and show state polling. I am going to guess using a cracked crystal ball .... Mr Trump has the edge.

If you are in a battle ground state ... vote and vote often ... once is not enough!!!!!

Not surprisingly, the Republicans have succeeded in trapping and using this resource. Whatever one likes or dislikes about the Democrats, their appeal to voters is primarily to logic. Whereas the Republicans long ago learned to appeal to the dark side of people’s emotions, since they had no logical or progressive policies to sell. So the Republicans have become the party of hate, misogyny racism, bigotry, homophobia, war, and anti-immigrant sentiment affixed to a false and extremist Christian face. They now, and have been for some time, openly organizing people around these negative emotions and behaviors. The mainstream media fails to recognize the effects of the extreme polarization of the two party system, and blames BOTH parties equally for the log jams in Washington.Those of us who have not fallen to such leaders are completely out of touch with the large segment of our country which follows them blindly. These millions of followers are quite naturally a valuable resource to be exploited by opportunist politicians like Trump, which seek to hide their true loyalties and irrational and destructive policies behind a public face of religious sympathy and support.