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No, conservatives are mostly all in for Trump. I'm talking about independents who voted for Trump just because he's rich and a businessman. Well, Bloomberg is even richer and a much better businessman. Zero bankruptcies, zero cheated contractors, zero Russian loans. So if being a successful businessman is important, Bloomberg is a better option. Especially for independents who don't care about R or D that much.

And while the alt-right may have it in for Jews, conservatives have no problem with them. They actually look for Jewish lawyers, doctors, and CPAs.

I voted third party, against both Trump and Clinton. 6% of all Americans voted against both major party candidates, that included 12% of all independents. Some 9 million voters.

There's a lesson there to be learned. Candidates matter. Especially to independents. History has shown that those who identify with the two major parties will vote for their party's candidate 90% of the time regardless of who that candidates is, how good or how bad. In close elections, it's independents who decide the outcome, it how they perceive the two major party candidates. In 2016 independents, 57% of them didn't like Trump, but 70% didn't like Hillary with 54% not wanting either one to become the next president.

I think any Democrat other than Hillary in 2016 would have trounced Trump. I think Hillary would have easily won if she hadn't been so lazy, had a better campaign strategy, hadn't hid from the media, hadn't ceded the campaign trail to Trump, 2016 was her's to lose and lose it she did.

Hillary did win, by over 3 million votes, it was gerrymandering that gave it to President Donald (...) Trump*. So, if you want fair elections to change the voting districts in the states, (like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconson, etc).


*Impeached

2016 was one of the higher presidential voter turnout at 57%. 2012 was 53%, 2008 56%, 2004, 55%, 2000 51%, 1996 49%, 1992 55%, 1988 50%. In fact 2016 had the highest voter turnout since 1968 when 61% of those eligible to vote turned out.

2016's voter turnout really surprised me. I figured the total dislike of both major party candidates would supress the voter turnout. That less people would vote since they disliked and didn't want neither candidate to become president. I was wrong. For the first time in our history, over 50% of all voters disliked both candidates. 60% of all Americans viewed Trump unfavorably, 58% viewed Hillary unfavorably, those are the highest negative views of any major party candidates going back to FDR when Gallup and Pew Research began keeping track of these things. Goldwater back in 1964 held the previous high in unfavorable, negative views at 47%. Both Clinton and Trump trounced his record.

No, it wasn't voter turnout. Women made up 53% of the total vote in 2016. The same percentage as in 2012 and 2008. I personally think Americans not wanting to elect a woman as president is an old wives tale or talking point. It all depends on who the woman is. Not any old woman who expected to be elected only because she was a woman. But one who is viewed a presidential material. Not just by a single party's base, but by America as a whole. My mantra on this, candidates matter.

Gerrymandering had nothing to do with the losses in those three states. Gerrymandering effects congress, the House of Representatives, not presidential elections. It's the total statewide vote in those three states that decide who gets all of those states electoral votes. Not congressional districts. Only Nebraska and Maine use the CD method. All other states is a winner take all.

Each state legislature can change the way they award their electoral votes. That is if they wanted to. None want to.

Biggest mistake she made wasn't switching gears from the primary to the general. In the primary, she just had to mouth platitudes and let the machine deal with Sanders.

Problem is, she kept doing that in the primary. "Stronger Together" isn't a policy statement. She should have been mocking Trump regularly. The only way to beat a populist with a following is to make them look weak.

Many want to... Popular Vote Interstate Compact

Yes, the machine didn't help Hillary much in the general. No super electors as she had in the primary. Out of 712 super delegates, only 48 went to Sanders. Stacked deck there.

Was Stronger together really her campaign slogan? I never heard that one. All I remember is, A third Obama term. Regardless, both pale to the MAGA slogan. That was simple and short and very catchy.

That's not changing the process. It's a way for some states to bypass the electoral college to go to a direct nationwide popular vote.

What you have is basically solid Democratic states vowing to vote for the democratic candidate. Now I wonder how the people of a state would feel to see their state vote one way, only to have their popular vote overturned by the compact? I imagine there would be lawsuits. A test of the constitutionality of the compact.

What I fully expect to see happen if any of those states now a member of the compact see that a Republican would win the popular vote nationwide, they would withdraw from it immediately. Or if Republicans were to take over the state legislatures and governor's office, then they would repeal the compact.

But none want to change their winner take all way of awarding their electoral votes. Pennsylvania debated this a few years back. About going to the CD method Maine and Nebraska use. But in the end, Pennsylvania decided going to the CD method would weaken their political power in deciding who would become president.

Well, yeah. Complacency doesn't lead to stupidity and failure, complacency is stupidity and failure.

What happened to Clinton in 2016 is a perfect example of this.

She thought she had the nomination in the bag. She did. There was no combination of possible events that led to her losing the nomination at the convention.

She thought she had the general election in the bag, which obviously she did not. She was so convinced she had it, she chose as her VP someone nobody ever even heard of outside of his district.

Anyone can fail. Failure is just the absence of success. To fail in an EPIC way requires applied stupidity.