Originally Posted by logtroll
Originally Posted by CPWILL
Originally Posted by logtroll
Are you saying that the tax reduction was not lost revenue?
(shrug) the Pro-Growth impacts of a predictable regulatory regime and reduced tax burdens are real. Revenues have gone up.
The simple fact that revenues would have been higher without the tax cuts is real.

Respectfully, that is not a fact. That is an assessment which depends upon assumptions, some of which may - or may not - be valid. An example of a fact would be the fact that Revenues went up, even as the Deficit did.
This demonstrates that the Deficit is far and away primarily driven by spending, and, I would point out, that increase in spending relative to GDP (and, thus – see below – our revenues) is driven primarily by the Entitlements:

[img]https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/16fivethirtyeight-gov7-blog4801.jpg?w=575[/img]

So, again, to my original point – we don’t have a revenue problem in this country. We have a spending problem.


Originally Posted by logtroll
Do you think that it would have had an impact on the deficit if the tax cuts had not been enacted?
This gets complicated quickly.

1. I think that the primary driver of Revenues is not tax rates, but, rather, growth. If you chart revenues relative to tax rates, you see that rates can change wildly without producing a comparable change in revenues. If you chart it compared with growth, however, you see more consistency. Hauser's Law is a pithy depiction of this:

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Now, if you pay close attention to that chart, you will note that the average for the second half is slightly higher than the average for the first:

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That is because, when we reduced top marginal rates from maximum punishment (you could say, when we shifted from the right side of the Laffer Curve to the left side), we incentivized production relative to tax-avoidance strategies. We not only collected more revenue due to higher growth, we actually collected more revenue as a portion of GDP, meaning that more of that growth was being captured by federal revenues than in previous decades.


TL/DR: Incentives Work. Higher Tax Rates MUCH Less So.

Last edited by CPWILL; 01/19/20 09:28 PM.