Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues Campaign 2020 First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020

Buttigieg works for the spooks.

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We seem to be living in VERY strange times. I just noticed that we have Chunk really angry with ALL Democrats as well as, apparently, the party itself. At the same time, however, he wants all these bad people to kneel down at a minority altar many are just not buying. My fond hope is that they don't do that. My way or the highway is actually not very American, rarely wins anything, mostly a spoiler for the other side, etc.

Just saying.............

I have a thought about the Bernie thing. I think what he is about is to try and take over the entire Democratic party (not unlike Trump and the Republican party). He made one run at it, got smacked, never joined, but he and his true believers never did support the party. Now, same deal, this time, however, he has more supporters willing to do the bidding, harass the opposition, make unsupported claims, etc. (all of which is denied) just like 1st time - kinda sounds a bit Trumpy to me. The difference is that Trump did it in one try - Bernie, so far, is up to try #2.

The Democratic party is not a socialist party. There is, again, the American Socialist Party, ready and waiting for Bernie to come on board but, obviously, that's not gonna happen because he is a Democratic Socialist and that is different from a real socialist. Democratic Socialists apparently only want gov to take over a little bit, at first - starting with 20% of the means up production (give or take).

Remains a bit Trumpy for me.

What if the Dem-soc train is the future of politics in America?

Ya wanna be like Denmark? Or Russia?

Like Norway? Or Brazil?

Like Sweden? Or Syria?

I'm thinking you need to get on the Dem-soc train before it leaves the station without you.

Medicare for all.
Free college.
Living wages.
Paid time off.

Which of these do you think Americans don't deserve? Which of these are you willing to fight against?

Mainstream Democrats are fighting them all. And you want AOC to join the mainstream?

What about global climate change? Mainstream Democrats can't address the issue because the donor class might lose money.
Immigration reform? Democrats can't be seen as weak on immigration...or crime either. They'll keep cannabis on the A-list til the cows come home.
They'll keep the war on drugs going no matter how many lives are ruined or lost. They, with the Republicans, will make life wonderful for the top 10%.

The other 90% are beginning to demand more. And the social democrats are fighting to get more for them. And the mainstream Democrats are fighting against them, fighting to maintain the status quo.

But if you're positive that Democrats are on the right path and that there are capitalist solutions for capitalist problems then by all means, carry on.

Your either senile or ridiculous. A difference without distinction really. The ongoing graft is not my responsibility and I'm no different than millions of others that can see it and speak on it.

No anger. You may hate what the current sentiment is right now. It doesn't change the reality on the street or the grift of the party being stupidly played out in front of us.

If you need to think of me as an angry crank and one off that's your choice. That Bernie or Bust position is real. Like it or not. THat makes Sanders your default candidate as you can't get enough votes to win in the general. I think that's how 'ELECTABILITY" works.

Dem-Soc IS capitalism, it's just capitalism the way it worked in the New Deal era. It's the capitalism almost all of US grew up with.
Up till around the late 70's or early 80's FDR's footprints were still part of our economy.

My only issue is that smart marketers know how to package their products but I have no issue with Bernie and AOC's policy positions for the most part. I am sure that there will be compromises made but they are both coming from a good starting point and they both have the right worldview.

AOC is still a wee bit greenhorn and still comes up with a couple of "student council-ish" sounding papers but I still say give it a year or two and she will have all the polish she needs.
She is always going up against think tanks, who have the money to churn out polish...polish with little substance that serves the people.

But on the whole, she is incredible.

Currently, no. Formerly, yes. The democratic party had support from socialist organizations and political parties.

Your red baiting types has made the democratic party what it is today and helped bring a Trump presidency into being.

I want to make something clear...
Earlier I posted a "Bernie Bro" thread and included a snarky quip referencing Bernie "politely asking his supporters not to harass Dem opponents" and I said "IOW grow the **** up".

Chunk, if you interpreted that as a personal attack aimed at you, I apologize, because it wasn't aimed at you personally to begin with.

In fact, the thread itself did not even BEGIN here at the Rant at all.
I first posted a reference to Bernie's request on my personal Facebook page, then went to another forum and posted the same thing, then came here and duplicated it.
I then posted a poll on the other forum, an anonymous one, then came here and posted a similar poll and most recently posted a PUBLIC poll on the other forum, in order to compare any differences between anonymous votes and the public ones.

None of it was intended as a jab at you.
And I am sorry if you felt that it was.