Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues Campaign 2020 First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020

Just a reminder to the fence riders waiting for the ‘party’ to elevate someone, anyone, to beat Sanders. They are actively backing an oligarch and a spook.

Neither of these men will get minority votes dooming them in the general election.

That means they are O.K. With losing to Trump rather than winning with Sanders.

They will be fine. They’ve been fine.

I don't even have a problem with the label, speaking personally, but then again I also think that the Pontiac Aztek was unfairly panned by automobile critics as "ugly", and yet the Nissan Juke is considered "cute"!



But you can't fight the press and the focus groups and expect to win because the deck is stacked in their favor, so the smart thing to do if you want your flavor to survive is to rebrand and repackage it and fool people into thinking it's.....drum roll...(wait for it!)



Of course, if your brand was already pilloried by the critics and the press before the rollout, your chances are nil, but if you were smart, you'd have known that already and you would get ahead of it and try using a different flavor name or brand name to begin with because you pre-tested first before the rollout.

And that is what FDR did with his social democracy, which is why it largely succeeded and was embraced by society. He branded it right, he marketed it right and he promoted it right, and the audience bought his presto-change-o sleight of hand, and they eagerly lapped up all that wonderful social democracy and called it ice cream.

But as I've said before, the kids don't mind.
To them, it's "capitalism" that's the Pontiac Astek, not socialism.
Socialism is the new iPhone, they can't wait to try it out.

The question is, will there be enough kids to beat out all the old folks who are scared of the "new iPhones".

Again, marketing wizardry...branding is the magic, branding is the secret sauce. We've sold everything from Chia Pets to Popeil Pocket Fishermen to people for millions, so anything IS POSSIBLE.

Crossover marketing! Old folks are scared of the "new iPhone" but they'll eagerly snap up an overpriced "Cricket Phone" from Consumer Cellular with the big buttons and simplified interface.
And yet it's still a smartphone.
Then all the kids have to do is wait till the rollout fever dies down, and switch to the new iPhones anyway.
And by the time the old codgers realize it, they've already begun to like the new iPhone (socialism) anyway.

We do the same thing when we want Rover to take a pill.
We wrap the pill in bacon or a piece of hamburger and toss it in Rover's general direction and "GULP, SLURP!", down the hatch, problem solved.

Sanders polls higher when he’s referenced as a socialist than he does when he’s referred to as a democrat.

Keep it simple. Be direct. Don’t BS.

It’s what people like about sanders.

It's what I like about Sanders, it's what a lot of people like about Sanders, but in the end, it depends on which polls you're looking at.

I agree that for many voters, you're probably right, but we need "all the voters"...we're running against the master of alternate reality, the biggest and most masterful media illusionist of the Modern Era.

And hey, if it turns out you're right, Sanders' constituency is still there. They get it already, that's why they already picked him.

The extra people we need are the ones who do this:



Let me ask you this, do you think the people who admire Sanders because he's a socialist understand the above GIF meme?
I think they do, and I think they understand why it's so funny.

And if they understand that, then they're in on the fix, yes?
If it means Sanders attracts "all the voters" then the fix is in, yes?
And his fans are in on it, yes?

What is the downside?
We're only doing what people are already okay with (witness Trump!)...manipulating how they think of a candidate.

Trumpers think he's all about fixing the economy because he's riding the Obama recovery and taking credit for it.
They think he's a master statesman because he created that illusion.
What is the downside of Sanders doing what he's already doing anyway, which is channeling FDR?

Nina Turner has put Sanders and FDR together four times in the last week at his rallies, three or four times. I saw three of them.

You can't be sure that his highest poll numbers aren't due "in part" to the fact that his associates are already introducing that nice FDR guy and mixing in a little of that New Deal flavor.

When you ask his current crowd, of course they're okay with the fact that he says he's a democratic socialist. Doesn't mean they didn't see and hear Nina Turner talking about FDR.
Sanders himself talks about FDR often.
I think it's working well for him.

Eventually, yes.

"The old ways are rapidly fading."

I'm just suggesting we use whatever tools there are in the toolbox to "speed up" that "fade" a little bit in time for November.

That's all I've EVER suggested.
Use ALL the tricks, use ALL the tools, use anything that works.
The other guys are, why shouldn't we?

Yes, you can. FDR is essentially forgotten. The only New Deal anybody remembers is the Green one that hasn't happened yet.

Donald Trump might also remind his voters that FDR was elected four times and that he should get the same treatment as Democrats!

Social democracy works. People love it. Corporations don't.

President Roosevelt was NOT a socialist - democratic or otherwise. He understood that words matter (unlike others in this modern age): https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/08/16/democrats-socialism-fdr-roosevelt-227622

My suspicion is that Bloomberg will settle this whole thing down. I have listened to, and talked with, folks that are working for mim. Most were Democratic folk who have worked on other campaigns or directly for the DNC. They are all saying the same thing. Bloomberg is building, basically, a NEW party! When its all over the Dems are likely to be eaten by Bloomberg. Whilst he is running he has also said that he will support any real Democrat if he fails and turn over his entire operation (which, by the end will have had at least a half a billion dollars spent on it) He is also the guy who scares the crap out of Trump. I know, all the 'real' lefties will hate this, hate bloomberg, and, of course, hate all the moderates too.

The simple fact is that I want Trump gone and, so far, the Dems have not exactly shown they are capable of doing that job. Instead is eat one another, whine a lot, miss opportunities, keep on the same hired help (perez) that oversaw, and directed Hillary to ignore all them 'real' Democrats and work on the Republicans instead. So far, the Dems, and Bernie, have pretty much proven that they are not out to beat trump so much as screw it up every chance they get.

If nothing else this is going to be a really interesting time for politics.

Sanders is the most popular senator.
He’s 2-0.
The DNC had to steal the last election outright in order to win the primary.
They just destroyed the Iowa caucus to keep Sanders from giving a victory speech.
He’s running a popular campaign, not buying one.
Bloomberg is the problem with the ‘party of the little guy’. Not Sanders.
It’s a primary not a coronation. It’s supposed to offer options and distinctions.
Mike was a Republican who backed Bush’s election. That’s ok now by the way, in fact, rebadged moderate republicans are now preferred.
The Democratic Party has chosen to run republicans over progressives and have openly declared war on them.

That’s not Sanders fault, by the why.

The Dems, as far as I am concerned have done a great job demonstrating their inability to get anything done. They have, basically, laid down in the House, their little debacle with votes is almost mythic in gross incompetence, etc. In addition, apparently being a Democrat is not necessary to run under the Democratic banner, hence Bernie who claims to be a socialist, is dedicated to getting as much power to gov as possible. This is demonstrated by how he wants to handle healthcare, safety, etc. (basically most of his 'democratic socialist goals", force companies to share their gross value, etc. All that being said, as far as I can tell, the democratic umbrella embraces ANYBODY. As far as I can tell Nazis and White supremacists can claim Democratic status as well.

Oh, then there are open borders that tend to upset many. My own view, on this one, is that we have only seen the beginning of this one. There is already over 3 years of drought in Latin America and its getting much worse. We have a target on our backs and if we have open borders we will double our population in a few years! This is happening right now and nobody seems to know it.

Then there is the simple fact that we are starting, right now, to build a serious underclass currently being called "The Homeless". This one isn't going away and its being dealt with by a few cities but, mostly not.
Oh, I consider the Homeless is a social meld of drug addicts, the very poor, the folks with mental problem, and predators and should probably be dealt with piece by piece. Some are actually doing that but, for the most part, its being 'investigated' and 'studied' <sigh>

Oh, can't resist. There is a science fiction meme that involves a permanent underclass one way or another. Its been there forever and, now, yet something else from science fiction is becoming fact. Always thought that was kinda interesting........