Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues Campaign 2020 First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020

See, JGW, it's hard to take you serious because you often state "simple facts" that are not facts at all.

Debbie Wasserman Shultz directed the DNC when Hillary ran against Sanders. She cheated seven ways from Sunday in Clinton's favor. Democrats were outraged. Real Democrats. Wasserman-Shultz was booted from the job and an election was held to replace her and Democratic rules were changed so that it could not happen again.

Keith Ellison(a progressive) and Tom Perez(a neo-liberal) ran for the job and Perez won. Perez is a conservative of Cuban descent from Miami, just like Marco Rubio.

Perez is very sensitive to being compared to Wasserman-Shcultz but DNC operatives below him, along with vengeful Clinton operatives are not sensitive at all and will do absolutely anything whether it be within the rules or not to destroy the Sanders campaign. The Iowa App was the first volley.

So, yeah...I get that you're down with that. I feel that way about Biden. I wasn't disappointed when Trump torpedoed his candidacy with the Ukraine thing. Now that that's out of the way I'm a blue no matter who guy. I think I can see a path to socialism through Bloomberg even.

I just really hate to think that a majority of Democratic voters will go for a republican billionaire buying his way into the presidency through the Democratic Party.

Old "Stopandfrisk" Bloomburg who tells us that all the crime is in the black neighborhoods!

His benevolent Daddy Warbucks veneer isn't going to last long before the shine wears off. It's like jumping in on the second half of a marathon....Is this who we've become?

Probably. I dunno. I'm hoping to turn this train around and head back to shore before it comes off the tracks...

I call it social democracy, that's what they call it in Europe. It's not socialism. It's just like the US economy with higher taxes, more regulations, bigger paychecks and 24 days off. I've shown you a dozen nations where it's been done a dozen different ways and all have been successful. Our constitution was practically written for it.

I wish Bernie would sit down with David Letterman and clear this up.

But I know why he doesn't. I've been trying for years to clear it up with you but you always come back screaming SOCIALIZMS!!!!

sorry about the perez thing - I was wrong.......... Doesn't really matter. Whoever was in charge screwed the goose and hillary lost. I always found it interesting that her husband told her she was making a mistake and she ignored him.

I don't have any problem with biden, other than he is, not unlike Bernie, just too old for the job.

I just want Trump done and gone. I will vote for anybody running against Trump. I fear what will happen in another 4 years. He is following the dictator rule book and his followers have been polled. They have proudly announced that they would prefer the congress just go away so he can "do his job". Then there is his private gestapo (ICE) which has found to be a good place to get a job if you are a racist.

There are a couple of things I like about Bloomberg. The first is that he is really competent. He didn't inherit 450 million like Trump, for instance. Nor is a multiple bankrupt. He has also proven, I think, that he really does want to help. He did that in New York. it was a serious mess when he took over. I know, there are some things not thought to be right but that's true with most of the human race.

I also like his thoughts on the organization he is building. As I previously said, he seems to be building an entirely new party and then, apparently, giving it to the Dems. My fear if if the Dems get their hands on it it will be turned to mud. The Dems kinda have a record of messing up and that is unfortunate. They could do worse than putting somebody in charge who can run a 60 billion dollar empire with expertise. I would expect him to have at gov bigtime if he is president. My wife, who is better than I about politics thinks she will turn it all over to one of the candidates if he likes him/her (I have no idea where she got that idea)

the stop and frisk thing is interesting. I know somebody who is a lifelong black worker in the trenches. I asked her about the mass imprisonment and stop and frisk. Her reply was interesting. She said, yah, Bloomberg did that. The problem is that nobody is calling out the Black religious, black judges and black police who were in on it big time. When I asked her about how the black religious were the main ones against legalization of marijuana in California she was not at all kindly towards them. I really don't know too many blacks but she is one of the responsible ones, as far as I can tell. She comes from California and travels the entire country doing her thing and has been for a long time. I met her through my sister the retired California judge that lives in San Diego (hilltop).

I do keep pounding my drum about the WORD "socialist". Words matter, bigtime. Trump knows this and goes after that one all the time. The dems have never, in the history of the nation, won the presidency, from the Republicans, without a national financial problem. Trump is going to be a bugger to beat. Full employment, stocks up, Trump blather and gaslighting. I really wish the dem candidates would stop eating each other and start on Trump right now but they don't seem to be able to stop themselves.

I am, incidentally, for tax-supported stuff like police, firemen, healthcare, libraries, and public schools. I am also fixing the higher education mess. Other countries, like Canada, have done that through paying off the expense of education for things we need, like doctors, scientists, teachers, nurses, etc. They do that with public service - we don't do it at all (there is some of that with doctors but its difficult. I am not for how the Dems deal with tax payer stuff. Bernie, for instance, is just going to stuff it all down everybody's throats whether they want it or not (along with some other stuff). I get nervous when a politician starts wanting to give more power to tell people what to do without a LOT of explanation - Bernie doesn't care. He is determined to 'help' people no matter what they think - that has never been a real good idea as far as I am concerned. Giving gov the power to force 'help' is what socialism is all about. It has always ended with one guy in charge and a bunch of committees and a national police force. This is where Trump is headed and also, as far as I am concerned, Bernie.

Ooops - got carried away, apologies.........

Nothing more therapeutic than a good long rant!

You know Bloomburg is 77 right? Older than Biden.

Is that what's happening in Norway? Denmark? Switzerland? Sweden? et al?

Nope. Happiest people in the world is what's happening.

You got something against happiness?

I got run over by a Trump train.

Before people get too excited about Bernie's performance in Iowa and New Hampshire or spinning any more crazy conspiracy theories, I think it behooves us to note: more people didn't vote for Bernie than did; far fewer people voted for Bernie than 2016, and that was a two-/three-way race. Voter turnout in New Hampshire was higher this year than in either 2016 OR 2008. He's in second place in delegate count. A little leavening is in order.

S’funny.
We all got run over by the Clinton team train.
It’s just happened again in Iowa.

I’ve heard their library is lovely. The best that $165,000,000 could buy.
Maybe they’ll dedicate a wing to Robby Mook or David Plouffe.

Iowans can only hope.

What are the conspiracies about winning New Hampshire?

Bernie is to old. Before I would cast my vote for him I'd want to know who his VP is.

Same age as Biden and Bloomberg.

Same age as Pelosi. Same age as Mitch McConnell.

78 is like the new 40 they tell me....

If Trump serves a second term he will retire at 78.