Originally Posted by CPWILL
Originally Posted by chunkstyle
Biden is a perfect neoliberal symbol. A corporate whore and war salesman, he has mastered a folksy ‘lunch box Joe’ persona but has been inflicting job losses, violent military conflict, debt misery opponent of civil rights, prison promoter and helped deliver a conservative judge to the Supreme Court.

It will be Sanders job to draw the distinction with Biden’s record and his own. It won’t be easy. The party is trying to make him the ‘blue no matter who’ heir apparent. His public displays of mental confusion may help.

[b]It wouldn’t hurt to remind voters of his collaboration with some of the worst republicans and their legislative agenda. Tie him to that toxic party and remind voters how he’s looking to team up with the opposition in a running mate.[b]

If Sanders can’t get it done the gallows consolation will be watching two devestatimgly awful boomers battle it out on stage debates. If we’re all gunna drown at least there’ll be a show.

What is Sander's plan for getting MFA past a Republican filibuster?


I don't know if he's exactly up to the task now, but Biden used to know how those sorts of things were done. If Sander's can't Make It So via Executive Fiat, he has no idea how to actually accomplish any of his legislative agenda.

I'm not positive that "I'm so bad at working with the other side that I'm totally incompetent to the task of achieving my goals!" is a selling point for a Presidential candidate.
Originally Posted by chunkstyle
We’ve been over Sanders record of accomplishment and bipartisanship support.
Go get some historical knowledge.
Who wants to debate a conservative bumper sticker anyways?

Bumper stickers make poor debate tools, though excellent campaign tools. Similarly, politicians who know how to get buy-in from the other side of the aisle make poor campaign tools, whereas politicians who can (stupidly) claim their Perfect Purity Kept Them From Ever, You Know, Succeeding can make excellent candidates in these stupid, tribal, times (Once upon a time, we preferred Governors for that reason, among others). That, after all, is why your screed against Biden above reads like so many - shall we say - bumper stickers smile.

But, then, this isn't, you know, an actual response to the points that:

1. Your complaint that Biden has a history of managing to get Republicans to sign on to his proposals, whereas Sanders has a history of not doing so, is effectively a complaint that Biden knows how to succeed in achieving policy goals in our system of government, whereas Bernie does not.

2. Incompetence at the basic tasks of governing is not (witness: current White House Occupant) exactly a strong selling point in a Presidential candidate.

Last edited by CPWILL; 03/08/20 01:51 PM.
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