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Biden is a perfect neoliberal symbol. A corporate whore and war salesman, he has mastered a folksy ‘lunch box Joe’ persona but has been inflicting job losses, violent military conflict, debt misery opponent of civil rights, prison promoter and helped deliver a conservative judge to the Supreme Court.
It will be Sanders job to draw the distinction with Biden’s record and his own. It won’t be easy. The party is trying to make him the ‘blue no matter who’ heir apparent. His public displays of mental confusion may help.
It wouldn’t hurt to remind voters of his collaboration with some of the worst republicans and their legislative agenda. Tie him to that toxic party and remind voters how he’s looking to team up with the opposition in a running mate.
If Sanders can’t get it done the gallows consolation will be watching two devestatimgly awful boomers battle it out on stage debates. If we’re all gunna drown at least there’ll be a show.
What is Sander's plan for getting MFA past a Republican filibuster?
I don't know if he's exactly up to the task now, but Biden used to know how those sorts of things were done. If Sander's can't Make It So via Executive Fiat, he has no idea how to actually accomplish any of his legislative agenda.
I'm not positive that "I'm so bad at working with the other side that I'm totally incompetent to the task of achieving my goals!" is a selling point for a Presidential candidate.
We’ve been over Sanders record of accomplishment and bipartisanship support. Go get some historical knowledge. Who wants to debate a conservative bumper sticker anyways?
I'm sure Sanders voted for a LOT of Democrat-sponsored bills over the years. All things he liked a lot better than the Republican bills. His problem was that most Republicans and a lot of conservative Democrats would not vote for anything progressive he proposed. So it's not like he didn't try. He just seldom had the votes. But that's okay: He represented the progressives well, as he told his supporters he would.
Biden is a perfect neoliberal symbol. A corporate whore and war salesman, he has mastered a folksy ‘lunch box Joe’ persona but has been inflicting job losses, violent military conflict, debt misery opponent of civil rights, prison promoter and helped deliver a conservative judge to the Supreme Court.
It will be Sanders job to draw the distinction with Biden’s record and his own. It won’t be easy. The party is trying to make him the ‘blue no matter who’ heir apparent. His public displays of mental confusion may help.
[b]It wouldn’t hurt to remind voters of his collaboration with some of the worst republicans and their legislative agenda. Tie him to that toxic party and remind voters how he’s looking to team up with the opposition in a running mate.[b]
If Sanders can’t get it done the gallows consolation will be watching two devestatimgly awful boomers battle it out on stage debates. If we’re all gunna drown at least there’ll be a show.
What is Sander's plan for getting MFA past a Republican filibuster?
I don't know if he's exactly up to the task now, but Biden used to know how those sorts of things were done. If Sander's can't Make It So via Executive Fiat, he has no idea how to actually accomplish any of his legislative agenda.
I'm not positive that "I'm so bad at working with the other side that I'm totally incompetent to the task of achieving my goals!" is a selling point for a Presidential candidate.
Originally Posted by chunkstyle
We’ve been over Sanders record of accomplishment and bipartisanship support. Go get some historical knowledge. Who wants to debate a conservative bumper sticker anyways?
Bumper stickers make poor debate tools, though excellent campaign tools. Similarly, politicians who know how to get buy-in from the other side of the aisle make poor campaign tools, whereas politicians who can (stupidly) claim their Perfect Purity Kept Them From Ever, You Know, Succeeding can make excellent candidates in these stupid, tribal, times (Once upon a time, we preferred Governors for that reason, among others). That, after all, is why your screed against Biden above reads like so many - shall we say - bumper stickers .
But, then, this isn't, you know, an actual response to the points that:
1. Your complaint that Biden has a history of managing to get Republicans to sign on to his proposals, whereas Sanders has a history of not doing so, is effectively a complaint that Biden knows how to succeed in achieving policy goals in our system of government, whereas Bernie does not.
2. Incompetence at the basic tasks of governing is not (witness: current White House Occupant) exactly a strong selling point in a Presidential candidate.
This morning I watched a Bernie speech. He went after Biden and pointed out all the bills he was involved with, for or against, this and that. The possibly interesting thing is that all the things he mentioned were utter failures, insofar as legislation was concerned. Seems he was on the wrong side of every issue (as far as voting was concerned, house or senate).
Then I got a notice of a twitter from AOC: I am constantly asked if I‘d support the Dem nominee. Could you imagine if I said I wouldn’t? Yet Biden’s camp is on TV threatening to help Trump if they don’t get exactly what they want.
She just painted Biden's entire camp because one Biden supporter posted something to this effect. NOT Biden, and NOT his camp but a single, young, idiot! If there is something the Dems need to stop is this constant, UN-interupted, intercine warefare. Its not helpful, Trump loves it, and its stupid. Bernie's followers do this sort of stuff with some consistency. I guess they are determined that Trump gets another 4 years. One can only wonder.
1. Your complaint that Biden has a history of managing to get Republicans to sign on to his proposals, whereas Sanders has a history of not doing so, is effectively a complaint that Biden knows how to succeed in achieving policy goals in our system of government, whereas Bernie does not.
I think we already went over a baker's dozen of those proposals, none of which serves the needs of the working class.
Unfortunately that does not translate to a Bernie success in the White House. That's not Bernie's fault, it's ours. I've said countless times, that when billionaires and corporate think tanks spend the kind of lavish sums they spend at crafting effective messaging against progressive change that would benefit working families, they expect to get results that favor their side.
And they have. We can't have nice things because we've bought into the suggestion that having nice things would turn us into Cuba.
I don't remember anyone in Burlington getting their head chopped off for being too much of a capitalist. If you can find the guillotines Bernie used on evil Vermont capitalists, I'd love to get a peek at them. Ben & Jerry are doing rather well, last I checked, and so are the Vermont dairy farmers who supply all the milk they use for their ice cream.
The Kremlin-controlled media hoped and, it would seem, believed that Bernie Sanders would get the Democratic nomination, paving the way to victory for Donald Trump.
Russian propagandists echoed that anticipation. Appearing on Rossiya 24, analyst Dmitry Drobnitsky predicted that in the event Sanders does not receive a nomination, street protests and violence will follow: “There will be unrest in Milwaukee… There will be a repeat of the 1968 Democratic Convention [riots] in Chicago.” Last year, Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report identified "dozens" of U.S. political rallies organized on social media by the Internet Research Agency (IRA), a Russian troll farm whose operatives were indicted for interfering with the 2016 U.S. presidential election.
---So there it is, the Russian plan for influencing American elections.
The facts are the facts. Bernie has a loyal following and rightly so, but unfortunately his numbers are about a third less than they were in 2016, and the youth vote that he was counting on this time around actually evaporated compared to even 2016.
But through it all, The Kremlin has been hoping for a repeat of Chicago 1968, the Democratic Convention, when there was violence in the streets, and where the Left sat out the election, giving us Nixon instead of Humphrey.
But Trump isn't Nixon. He's not even fit to shine Nixon's shoes, and I say that as a liberal Democrat who voted for Sanders in the primaries in California last week.
I love Bernie, I think he would do a lot of good for America. But his numbers clearly say that America apparently isn't ready for steps that big. We don't have the stomach for it. We don't have "the GUTS", the political will.
So I ask all of you, is the solution four more years of Donald Trump, and fulfillment of The Kremlin's desires?
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Much as I hate to say it, Bernie is finished. And it's not his fault either. But take a look at this...AOC is now being attacked, because she dared to like a Saturday Night Live skit poking fun at Liz, who made a cameo appearance.
Are you f***ing kidding me? They're ready to attack anyone and everyone but they can't be bothered to show up at the polls and vote.
Alleged Bernie fans. Russian trolls are doing their best for Bernie right now. If Bernie was smart, he would watch the sketch and tweet how funny he thought it was.
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