Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues Politics In General Is it too soon to be talking 2020?

Your fellow Dems had 17 candidates to pick from and chose the uninspiring one to run against and beat Trump.

Support blue, no matter who, please and thank you.

I think the choice of Biden had more to do with electability. He's the one seen as having the best chance of beating Trump. Not political philosophy. Most polls show that to be true. At least at this point in time. Now when the campaign begins, all the negative attack ads, the debates, the sowing of energy within one's supporters and a host of other things, remains to be seen. The Democrats don't need another ho hum campaign taking the election for granted as in 2016.

I like Joe, always have. But I do wish he was 10-15 years younger.

I was upset in 2016...this time I'm just disappointed.
I've learned a little something, about the so called youth vote, and I am ashamed to say that I should have learned it forty-something years ago.
Nothing's changed about this "youth vote" in America...it doesn't exist for the most part.
It just. flat. out. does. not. exist.

I have never missed an election in my life, not since I first turned eighteen.
But that's ME, and most of my friends were just like the nonexistent youth vote of today...they talked a lot, they protested, they marched, and then...they didn't bother to SHOW UP and PULL the goddamn levers.

Standing in line and pulling some levers in a box with a curtain is boring, it's not "cool".

And my theory on this is simple:
Aside from 9/11 and a "Pearl Harbor" that's very far in the past and far out in the Pacific Ocean, our youth have never experienced real honest to goodness domestic terrorism, bombing, foreign jackboots or out and out domestic tyranny.
Our youth have never witnessed anything that dire in their own land, at least not since the Civil War anyway.

I think that changes youthful perceptions of issues like voting.
And I guess it's just a fact about the human condition that it takes something that bad to motivate youth to do something that's considered boring and uncool.

Bernie is not going to make it, and it's a shame.
He needed the youth of America to take the reins and pull the levers, and they didn't.
And he will either be too old or he'll be dead by the time our youth finally wake up and realize what they need to do.

Trump is about the only person who believes Duckworth could not serve as President. He raised the same objection to Ted Cruz, and everybody pointed out at that time that being born to an American citizen parent who registers the birth with the State Department is enough. She was actually born to a US service man!

I think Trump may consider her unworthy because she's half Thai. Trump likes White men.

Your last sentence gave me a belly laugh. I know what you meant, but that made my day.

Near as I can tell, you're a conservative so of course you'd like Joe.

I used to feel a lot the same as you, that the best government was a government mostly held in check. The way it's turned out is that anything to help the working class has been held in check but everything that helps the wealthy has run wild. The top 10% are living the American dream. And no one seems terribly concerned about the rest of us.

I dunno if this is a left/right divide or actual class warfare.

Government right now is engaged in taking food from nearly a million people. Trump announced last time her ran that he would not cut Medicare and Social Security. He has promised this time that he will cut them. Conservatives are fine with letting millions of children go hungry, letting millions of people live on the streets, letting millions of people go without medical or dental care. It is a part of the human condition and not their responsibility. Certainly nothing government should meddle in.

And if it meddles and threatens to tax us to create fewer poor people then it is SOCIALIST.

50 million miles to the left.

And every year conservatives aim to create more poor people, more sick people, more hungry, more homeless, more uneducated, more saddled with unwanted children and most importantly MORE BILLIONAIRES!

What'll Biden do to help reduce plastic pollution? Any federal help to clean it up? How about some aid to the emerging bio-char industry where biowaste can generate power and sequester carbon at the same time. Will there be people around him who have ever heard of biochar?

That's not far left stuff. It's common sense maintenance.

Maybe we can't pull many people out of poverty all at once, but maybe we could lessen their pain?

Fecking HELL NO. Every Republican lawmaker in Washington would vote against anything like that. And you'd likely agree with them.

I don't hold it against you. I don't understand it but I'm aware that half the adults in the nation hold that very opinion. To varying degrees.

I'm probably considered a right wing nut on this site because I don't care for Sanders politics. Although I respect the man. But I don't go around calling him names just because I disagree with his politics. There's way too much of that going on these days.

There's been policies and things every president has done in my life time I supported and things every president has done I disagreed with. Trump is in that same boat as Obama, both Bush's, Bill Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, LBJ, JFK, IKE. Now I was too young to personally experience Truman.

What I do miss is the era when both parties had their conservative and liberal wings. When there wasn't this great divide between parties. When both parties were more pragmatic than in today's ideologue state.

Sure, we need a lot of improvement back then. We need improvement today. Lots have change since then and for the most part the better. Fact is I'm not looking for any more jerks left or right. Just someone to get us back on a sane path for the betterment of the country. I hate being jerked around.

The thing is I'm not a partisan, both major parties disgust me with their party first attitude. I'm also not an ideologue, I'll weigh each issue by itself and decide whether to support or oppose that issue on what I deem its merits. Not because some political party told me to support or oppose. If that is being far right, so be it. I take it being independent minded.

If you were a "right wing nut" you never would have been invited here in the first place.

Anyway, I actually like your sig line...trouble is, it's an anachronism today...these days. Can that be fixed? Yeah, of course it can, but right now we're sorta stuck with the tribalism, which will have to burn itself out before we can again recreate bipartisanship.
McConnell just said a couple of weeks ago that he VOWS to return to nonstop 100% obstructionism if a Democrat is POTUS in 2021 and he's still in power.

Pero...that IS our problem.

I think greger is so far on the left, he's mistaking an Independent, for a Republican. Everybody who does not always agree with you, is not out to kill you! Sure, there are some people who would just like you dead. But you've got to recognize the difference. I'm actually a fellow lefty (voted for Sanders) but from everything I have read, perotista is a centrist. Much like a lot of Democratic Party members.

He could have been a Liberal Republican, but they don't have those anymore.

As for the future of America, I'm all for it being a lot more socialist, for things that make sense. But they have to make sense. They have to work. I think the government is very good at doing a lot of things, and privatizing those things just let's somebody make a lot of money by exploiting underpaid workers. But there are things we don't all need like professional football. When government starts financing football, I say no.

What disgusts me is that neither party is doing anything to address any of the issues that are facing us. Neither party. Not a single issue.

Even emergency legislation in relation to a world wide pandemic which threatens to destroy the world economy and take countless lives....McConnell sent it back to the house because it might cost rich people money. The he sent the Senate home for the weekend. Many are in self isolation. Some infected. This is small government in action...closed on weekends.

What if they all get sick and they don't have a quorum? Is that the end of it? everything just stops?

This is the do nothing government that everybody wants it seems. All that shite will work itself out, none of it is constitutionally mandated and it's every man for himself.

Perfect.

This is the government that Joe Biden helped build...He will fight hard to keep it just like it is. And something about going back to what it used to be...

It's never been good, folks. And the way our dysfunctional government works it's never going to be good. It has most certainly never been great. But it could be. If you would all just put me in charge and let me handle it.............!