Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues Campaign 2020 First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020

We are so far over to the Right that a move to Bernie territory seemed to be too large a leap. Clearly in order to get back a center-left position we will have to make one step over to the center first, and then move a bit to the Left afterward.

A guy with Bernie's ideas would have ideally been the right man at the right time in the days of Jimmy Carter, but the Democrats were too complacent back then...they didn't even see the Reagan juggernaut coming.

But strictly politically speaking, the jump from Carter to Bernie would not have felt like a huge leap.

Clearly people have little memory of what CENTER-LEFT felt like back in the Carter days.
I remember but that's just me.
It felt normal.

But HEY!! We are about to experience true hardcore state socialism very soon!
Trump has invoked the Defense Production Act to harness PPE, medical equipment, drugs, maybe even energy.
AND!! Looks like every American is about to join the Yang Gang, at least temporarily!

Bernie was projected to win a decisive lead on Super Tuesday. Biden was, everyone thought, on his last legs and had not campaigned or established a ground presence in many states. Then, in the days immediately before Super Tuesday, several of his opponents dropped out. Their endorsements and a raft of others carried him to victory.
This was a message to Bernie voters: "[censored] off. We would rather drag Joe Biden over the finish line, knowing that he is no longer mentally competent, than cede anything to the candidate who is winning your votes by fifty points or more."

I’m a Bernie volunteer. Here’s how Joe Biden can win Bernie voters.

Pretty much nails the situation for the Sanders camp. Democrats can’t do anything for anyone because of republicans but they can knee cap progressives up and down the ballot. That they can do.

They are the party of Lieberman, Manchin, Pelosi and Biden

‘I can’t vote for a humane society cuz someone was mean to me on the internets’ is their battle cry.

Vote blue no matter who is their motto.

Justin Rosario

March 17 at 5:53 PM ·
Turnout is way up in Florida and Bros are complaining that Bernie is being cheated because of...voter suppression.

Meanwhile, they are literally also telling people, specifically older voters (aka "people who will vote for Biden"), to stay home because of COVID-19. This is also known as "voter suppression."

The sheer hypocrisy is on level with the MAGA Moron Mob but without the excuse of 30 years of brainwashing.

What's worse is that they will now use this as an excuse to wage a scorched earth war against Biden in the general election because it was all "RIGGED!" and the Bernie was "cheated."

But let's be clear: They were -always- going to do this if (when) Bernie lost. The plan was always to make Democrats lose. What they didn't count on was Trump being so unbelievably bad at his job that turnout would go through the roof to vote him out of office while Bernie's "revolution" once again failed to show up.

On top of that, a global pandemic and a coming massive recession has all but guaranteed Trump will lose even when all the Bros throw their little temper tantrum and stay home. There will be no repeat of 2016.

The rage of Bernie's cult will be absolute when this happens and a lot of the white men that comprise the Bros will somehow find their way to the alt-right. We'll have "forced" them to do it.

I want to be wrong but I haven't been wrong about these [censored]s once in 5 years.

(reprinted with permission)

Bullsh*t.

There's usually a certain percentage of those who are avid supporters of just one candidate in the primaries that don't show up to vote in the general. This is normal. They're the my candidate or none. Nominate my candidate or else I won't vote. They don't show up to vote for the other party's candidate, they stay home.

In the primaries so far this year and in 2016, most of Sanders supporters according to the polls are in the independent lean Democratic column, not those who affiliate or identify themselves as Democrats. Check out question 47.

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/fcdckgt368/econTabReport.pdf

Sanders is the choice of Democratic leaning independents who vote in the primary 65-35. But Biden is the choice among those who identify or are part of the democratic base 65-29. Lot's of other good information there also.

Fact is those who identify with the two major parties are twice as likely to get out and vote then independents who lean toward one party or the other. Independents on November of 2016 made up 40% of the electorate, but only 30% of those who actually voted. Democrats made up 30% of the electorate, 36% of those who voted, Republicans 27%, 33% of those who actually voted.

The two parties base made up but 57% of the total electorate, but 69% of those who voted.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

So a bunch of Democratic leaning independent's who support Sanders or any other candidate to include those supporting Biden not showing up at the polls is normal in any election year.

I wish it was, but ask Elliot Abrams and the rest of the Reagan/Bush neocon gang where they were forty-five years ago.
Most of them were ultra-Left back then.
Not talking about rank and file Bernie people, this is a core segmeent of the absolute balls to the wall Bernie or Bust group.

Thing is, I don't think that group is nearly as large as it was in 2016 and that is where I disagree with Rosario. He seems to think it's universal among Bernie supporters.

So don't think I take any joy in having posted that. I didn't.

Total bullshit.

You ought to confine your smearing of an entire constituency to your Russian hysteria. One look at the people volunteering (did you Jeff?) and the people showing up at his rallies should be enough for anyone who has any common sense to know Bernie Bro is pure Horsesh!t.

Anyone who could be bothered to get off their lazy intellectual arse can look at the pedigree of the 'Bernie Bro' narrative, used the last two primary elections, will understand it was always a cynical political smear ploy. Your either a fool or a willing participant in continuing that falsehood of the 'Bernie Bro'.

Sadly, I don't know which one it is for you Jeff.

Absolutely. Apparently Jeffery knows nothing of ideology or he would have seen this as the complete sham it is.

F*ck voting blue and F*ck Joe Biden too. Okay? It has nothing to do with Bernie Sanders and everything to do with a failing nation unable and unwilling to change. Getting rid of Trump does absolutely nothing to get rid of any of the problems we face.

Joe Biden is less than a bandaid. He's less than a kiss to make it better. His kiss will simply deliver pathogens to an open wound.
Does that make me a member of the far right? Does that make me a Bernie Bro?

Jeff...on the one hand you love Bernie, and on the other you hate and smear his supporters. I understand centrism. As socialists go I'm probably considered center right because I believe in evolution rather than revolution. Associating me and others who believe the same as I do with the "far right" is not only an insult it is pure stupidity and beyond hyperbole.

As far as we progressives go it is you who are in cahoots with the far right by insisting everyone should vote for the quasi-republican corporate shill who is currently running to the right of Trump and his cohorts.

And I don't need to hear no crap about we can't afford four more years of Trump. Of course we can. We know exactly what to expect from him. I have been railing for over a year about how bad Biden will be.

No one...NO ONE has come to his defense here. NO ONE...not one of you actually wants him to be President. No one in the entire nation actually wants Biden to be president. They just want Trump to not be president.

And so...out of the entire huge field of candidates they chose the candidate most like Trump ideologically, as far to the right as a candidate can be and still be a Democrat. Hoping I guess, to win the votes of Republicans who don't like Trump and throwing the entire left leaning democratic constituency under the bus.

AND NOW...before the primaries are even over this dipshit is blaming the left for Biden's upcoming loss. Being better than Trump is not enough to win my vote and certainly not enough to shut me up about what a bad choice Joe Biden is.

We're not joining the far right, Jeffery, we're becoming the far left. Up until now we've played nice and haven't split the ticket.

**But mostly this**
Did you pay any attention to the online smears against Bernie Sanders and his supporters by centrists over the last few years. Did you have no Bernie haters on Facebook? Did you pay any attention?
There is a rabid anti-Bernie faction of online democrats. They were there before the first Bernie Bro logged in. They were there from the day he announced his candidacy in 2016. They created Bernie Bros to smear Bernie Sanders and the leftist faction of the party. Push a little harder and we will abandon the party altogether.