Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues Campaign 2020 First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020

Just hope that the Republicans are not in charge of the rebuilding that must be done. There are a couple of reasons for this. The first is that the Dems are simply more experienced in bailing us out of economic disasters. I believe the reason to be that the Dems understand that regulations will be needed and that the Dems tend to think more about the masses rather than the moneyed and powerful. The Republicans, on the other hand, do not believe in any regulations and, pretty much, don't like gov much and we need gov if we are to survive the recovery.

Some will claim that having a leader is enough. We have that, right now, a self proclaimed leader with a really huge talent for idiocy. We are going to need, instead, a leader supported by competence on any number of levels not a leader on his/her own making proclamations based on fairy tales and alternate facts. Basically, Republicans, for the most part, have a genuine problem with even being capable of demonstrating competence which would be a another little problem.

It's an article of faith for them that the federal government can't do anything right. So they have to prove that to fulfill their fantasies. If they are actually saboteurs, why on earth do voters keep putting them in charge?

Saw this in my feed this morning...

“When Bernie said everyone should have healthcare as a right, you called it socialism. Now you are begging for free tests and treatment and healthcare that is not tied to your job.

When Bernie said workers should be guaranteed paid leave, you called it socialism. Now you are begging for paid leave as places close and people are laid off.

When Bernie said every child in America should have high-quality child care and universal school meals, you called it socialism. Now schools are closed and you need child care and food for your kids.

When Bernie wanted to cancel all student loan debt to help millions of struggling Americans, you called it socialism. Now you are begging for student loan relief.

When Bernie wanted national rent control so landlords can’t jack up rent prices as high as they want and kick tenants out unfairly, you called it socialism. Now you are begging for landlords to not to evict tenants during this time.

When Bernie said all people should be making a living wage of at least $15/hr, you called it socialism. Now you are literally relying on those same people at the grocery store, food service, child care, cleaners and other min wage jobs to SURVIVE.

Bernie has been fighting for basic human rights his entire life and it took a global pandemic for you people to realize he’s been right this whole time."
-Anonymous

And the OP even included a very nice portrait to go with it.

And in the end, we're likely to be stuck with a good-better-best situation where selecting GOOD is not a rejection of BEST.
Seems a lot of folks are having difficulty with that lately.
So we keep winding up with WORST.
Life has just become more fragile, civilization has just become more fragile, humanity is facing a defining moment.
I hope we make it.

If Donald Trump were not in the picture would there be any "Good" reason to nominate Joe Biden?
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Didn't think so.
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Trump has served his purpose by making you think Biden is a "Good" choice. Corporatocracy has you by the small hairs and you dance to their tune only.

It's elementary pre-game theory.

You have best, good, meh, and and worst. Which of the 4 cases do you eliminate first?

So, just to stipulate the cases, you have Sanders, Warren, Biden, and Trump, and your goal is to move left. The first option would be to eliminate Trump as an option. Then Biden, then Warren.

What has happened here is that the left has selected, in order, Sanders, Trump, everyone else, and then started striking in the same order.

It's dumb. There are two likely answers for why a leftist would select Trump over Biden.

1. "They're the same." They're not the same. Even back in the day Biden from 1983 wasn't in the same BALLPARK as Trump in any respect.
2. The berners are butthurt and want to lash out, no matter who gets hurt.

The silly-ass part of all of this is that the dems keep allowing Sanders to join their party every four years, despite the fact that he campaigns against them. He won't stick after this, and if he doesn't, he should be ejected and barred from both the party and the caucuses. If it's so important for him to be an independent, fine. He can be an independent, with all the clout that comes with it.

There is a third answer which I have been screaming for months.

Shall we review it again?

Joe Biden isn't going to be a very good president.
His vice president won't be anybody special.
After plodding through an economic recovery Democrats will lose in 2024.
Republicans will hold the White House for the next eight years.
Democrats may or may not not regain power in 2032.

Or else...

Donald Trump is a terrible president. But if he gets re-elected he's going to get bogged down in that same economic recovery and will bungle it mightily. The Republican brand will be utterly destroyed and Democrats will win in 2024 and hold the White House until 2032 and beyond.

That right there seems impossible for anyone to digest as long as they've got Trump stuck in their craw.

Let's go Back back back! Back to a normal time! Only Joe can take us back to a better time!

Evahbody sez NO! IT CAN"T HAPPEN HERE! Once Trump is gone erything will be COOL!

An I sez hide and watch, dudes! Hide and watch.

And so the Democratic Party should never allow Senator Sanders to vote for any bill or resolution they support. Should refuse to count his vote if he agrees with them. Same I guess for any Independent in Congress. If they won't join the party and march in lockstep then they have no place within our government!
If they decide to run for higher office they must always run as a third party independent so everyone will know they are disloyal to The Party!

We'll get that leftist bullsh*t stamped out forthwith! They should love this country and vote blue no matter who or leave it.

There is no normal anymore. That's gone for 20 years at the bare minimum.

Now there is survival or non-survival.

Being a wrecker won't change those options.

I didn't say that.