Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues Campaign 2020 First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020

Well done, CP! But talking to a frothing at the mouth Trump hater is about the same as dealing with a frothing at the mouth Trump lover.

Nothing you say is going to get through. They live in a paranoid fantasy world.

I have lost count of the times when, in response to either group, I have had to make the point that not literally everything is actually about Trump, and that things can exist (and be good, bad, or a mixture therein) in and of themselves, independent of whether or not they effect Trump.

Just sitting here watching another Sanders voter turn into a Trump apologist.

I've never voted for Sanders and never will. I've never supported Sanders and proudly voted for Hillary Clinton.

I'm thinking you need to revise your estimate. But I still won't vote for Biden.

Do YOU think that there will be no election because an outside power will invade and occupy an American city, that Trump will use that event to suddenly become an uber-competent highly-capable fascist dictator who then proceeds to wipe out wide portions of the American population, including members of this forum, and that the proof of this is Because Hitler?

Nope.

All that would only happen if Bernie Sanders were the candidate.

And it is the bludgeon used to force left leaning independents to vote blue no matter who.

Have you seen Biden's Facebook? He's practically shouting leftist slogans.

In my world almost nothing is about Trump. He was an anomaly, he will be gone soon. Floridians hated him before most of you ever paid him any mind. He represents the worst of the worst of the Snowbirds and I have been taught since early childhood to hate the likes of him. My grandpa liked and respected black men but had no use at all for yankees. A New York yankee is the worst of the lot.

But I'm not going to obsess over it.

you Trump Apologist, you.

If you are progressive and you feel that since Bernie won't make it, you can't vote for Biden as the lesser of two evils (Trump being the bigger evil), you are not considering the issue of judicial nominations.

Let's suppose Trump is re-elected and continues to nominate SC justices and federal judges in all courts. Say, two more justices die or retire and the SC becomes 7-2 conservative. Let's suppose, like you are saying, that then the Dems win in 2024, with, say, AOC who by then will be of age to run for president.

Now think of AOC's initiatives, the dream of her generation: the Green New Deal... legislation to curb fossil fuels... student loan relief... free college tuition... and so on and so forth.

Except that... fossil fuel industries sue in court... loan providers sue... colleges sue... and the courts, packed full with conservative judges and justices find for the plaintifs, and all AOC initiatives are struck down.

Then, remember, you can vote out a president or wait for his term limit, you can vote out a senator and a house representative, but you can't vote out a federal judge or a SC justice appointed for a lifetime.

So, you may end up with a problem that may last for the bulk of your generation's adult life.

This is why at this point it is wise to kick the can down the road by electing Biden (if we can; I think that Trump is still the favorite to win re-election).