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Originally Posted by GreatNewsTonight
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Fear mongering and vote shaming really aren't gonna work y'know. Electing Biden is just setting yourselves up for failure.

If you are progressive and you feel that since Bernie won't make it, you can't vote for Biden as the lesser of two evils (Trump being the bigger evil), you are not considering the issue of judicial nominations.

Huh. That is exactly why so many Trump fans told me that, as a Conservative, I had to hold my nose and vote for him.


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Let's suppose Trump is re-elected and continues to nominate SC justices and federal judges in all courts. Say, two more justices die or retire and the SC becomes 7-2 conservative. Let's suppose, like you are saying, that then the Dems win in 2024, with, say, AOC who by then will be of age to run for president.

Now think of AOC's initiatives, the dream of her generation: the Green New Deal... legislation to curb fossil fuels... student loan relief... free college tuition... and so on and so forth.

Except that... fossil fuel industries sue in court... loan providers sue... colleges sue... and the courts, packed full with conservative judges and justices find for the plaintifs, and all AOC initiatives are struck down.

We would be blessed indeed if the structure of our government - wisely left us to allow faction to check faction and to keep us from being able to shove through massive changes on a narrow temporary majority and without widespread consensus - stopped such a nightmare raft.

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Unless those massive changes were necessary to ensure the survival of the human race, but conservatives wanted to make more money for the next thirty years. Maybe survival should transcend your desire for stability in the short term.

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Originally Posted by CPWILL
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Fear mongering and vote shaming really aren't gonna work y'know. Electing Biden is just setting yourselves up for failure.

If you are progressive and you feel that since Bernie won't make it, you can't vote for Biden as the lesser of two evils (Trump being the bigger evil), you are not considering the issue of judicial nominations.

Huh. That is exactly why so many Trump fans told me that, as a Conservative, I had to hold my nose and vote for him.


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Let's suppose Trump is re-elected and continues to nominate SC justices and federal judges in all courts. Say, two more justices die or retire and the SC becomes 7-2 conservative. Let's suppose, like you are saying, that then the Dems win in 2024, with, say, AOC who by then will be of age to run for president.

Now think of AOC's initiatives, the dream of her generation: the Green New Deal... legislation to curb fossil fuels... student loan relief... free college tuition... and so on and so forth.

Except that... fossil fuel industries sue in court... loan providers sue... colleges sue... and the courts, packed full with conservative judges and justices find for the plaintifs, and all AOC initiatives are struck down.

We would be blessed indeed if the structure of our government - wisely left us to allow faction to check faction and to keep us from being able to shove through massive changes on a narrow temporary majority and without widespread consensus - stopped such a nightmare raft.

Well, but it isn't balanced. The conservatives currently hold the White House, the Senate, and have a Supreme Court majority. The Dems which is a party made of one-third progressives and two-thirds moderates, hold the House. So if the conservatives keep being nominated non-stop for the courts, it will tilt the balance even more in favor of conservatives. I'd prefer things a bit more balanced.


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Originally Posted by GreatNewsTonight
Well, but it isn't balanced. The conservatives currently hold the White House, the Senate, and have a Supreme Court majority. The Dems which is a party made of one-third progressives and two-thirds moderates, hold the House. So if the conservatives keep being nominated non-stop for the courts, it will tilt the balance even more in favor of conservatives. I'd prefer things a bit more balanced.

Not to mention the fact that a large majority of the Trump wing openly express hostility toward democracy itself. Many of them cast it as being wholly illegitimate in this republic.
Of course this is a huge mistake and a huge misinterpretation of the founders, who while eschewing direct Athenian democracy, fought even harder to preserve the institution of representative democracy.

To forego a move toward simple balance in light of that knowledge means that neglecting to strike a balance is guaranteed to usher in the most radical change in Western society short of the end of capitalism itself. And if we do dismantle democracy in this way, capitalism doesn't stand a chance, only Trumpers don't realize that.

We're basically trying to prevent Trumpers from driving the car over the cliff, and Trumpers have pulled out their guns in order that they DO drive over the cliff, taking the rest of us with them.

Sorry, this is no small thing, no small change, it's an enormous change, and not for the better.


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Trump has nominated 252 federal judges and 2 SC justices. We're screwed.


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Not necessarily. Trump thinks he has nominated Trump judges, but very few of them are that. Almost all of them are via the Federalist Society and are conservative judges. That's why they sometimes find against Trump when his Clown Posse brings the circus to a courtroom.

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Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
Not necessarily. Trump thinks he has nominated Trump judges, but very few of them are that. Almost all of them are via the Federalist Society and are conservative judges. That's why they sometimes find against Trump when his Clown Posse brings the circus to a courtroom.

That's good to know.


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Wow, Bill Maher was rather tough on the Biden alleged sex assault allegation:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/bill-maher-liberal-media-allowed-040644236.html

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Given the state of the country and what he called the he said/she said nature of Tara Reade’s allegations, Maher suggested the most practical stance on the Biden scandal might be, “Don’t know. Never will. Don’t care.”


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That's the problem: How can we ever know what really happened. Why was she posting messages just a few years ago praising Biden? But now suddenly is accusing him of exactly what Trump confessed to on TV years ago? Why does her current version of the event match a passage from her father's novel? Trump has this consistent habit of accusing his opponents of exactly what he's guilty of. What does Tara Reade get out of this, besides a lot of attention? Is that her motivation? She sees herself as the next Monica Lewinski?

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Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
That's the problem: How can we ever know what really happened. Why was she posting messages just a few years ago praising Biden? But now suddenly is accusing him of exactly what Trump confessed to on TV years ago? Why does her current version of the event match a passage from her father's novel? Trump has this consistent habit of accusing his opponents of exactly what he's guilty of. What does Tara Reade get out of this, besides a lot of attention? Is that her motivation? She sees herself as the next Monica Lewinski?

More like the next Linda Tripp.


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