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Again, you are misinterpreting me. You said "If you think those who vote for Trump are unpatriotic, that's your opinion."

First, I never shied away from saying it's my *opinion*, but this said, no, I didn't say it the way you are depicting. I mentioned a *subset* of Trump voters as unpatriotic: the ones who know perfectly well that he is profoundly damaging America, but couldn't care less, and still vote for him for some sort of silly reason like spiting the liberals. Yes, THAT's unpatriotic. I never said in any of my posts above that simply voting for Trump is unpatriotic.

And again, I'm not making of this a party issue. I said, Trump is not even a real Republican. He is an opportunist who will join whatever group he feels will confer him an advantage, like you demonstrated. We are in agreement.

Now, the funny thing is that you're so outraged at my "unpatriotic" comment, but look at your own signature! You berate those who put party ahead of country, which is another unpatriotic trait. So conceivably those who vote for Trump just because he has an R to his name, are acting in unpatriotic manner if it means putting party ahead of country. You just didn't utter the word unpatriotic, but putting something else ahead of country is what being unpatriotic is. Huh, we're not so different in our opinion, are we?

You seem to have taken offense because you are a military man and YOU introduced the idea that the majority of the military voted for Trump. Then, YOU agreed that with his opinion of POWs and Gold Star families, it's hard for you as a military man to support him... And I'd add, Cadet Bone Spurs is a draft dodger. That's how the HUGELY honorable Tammy Duckworth, a veteran maimed in combat who chose to be a combat woman when most women are spared of combat (therefore, a hero), refers to Trump.

So, we might agree that the honorable members of our military who voted for Trump, did so naively and not realizing how evil the man is, and now probably see it after he turned against POWs and Gold Star families.

I fully expect his voting popularity among military people to drop significantly from 2016 to 2020.

And many thanks for your 21 years of active duty service. I mean it. I'm not paying lip service to this like some do. Like I said, I profoundly respect our military. By the way, with growing disgust for the way our veterans are treated, I volunteered for seven months to help our veterans in one of the VA hospitals, just as a way to say thanks. I did it for as long as I could, and only stopped when I moved away to another city that doesn't have a VA hospital.

My son won a national award in recognition for his pro-bono legal work on behalf of veterans, when he won a difficult lawsuit against the DoD on behalf of veterans who had been unfairly treated; didn't charge a cent for his numerous billable hours, and diverted the entire settlement to the plaintif veterans, not willing to take the cut he was entitled to. He did it out of his good heart, not expecting any reward, and was surprised when he was nominated for the award, and even more surprised when he won, since he thought he was doing nothing more than his obligation, as inspired by his father (me); when as a young lawyer he asked for my opinion on how to best allocate his pro-bono work, I said, remembering the fact that unfortunately I had to stop volunteering at the VA, "why don't you help our veterans?" He thought it was a great idea and jumped right onto it, with the above result. I'm proud of him for it.

So, don't for a minute think that I don't respect and uphold our military.

We may have more to agree with, than to agree to disagree.

I'll buy that. The strange thing it wasn't patriotism that caused my military career. I was born and raised on a farm, then after High School, worked on the farm during the day and in an pig iron foundry at night. I was drafted in 1966. Compared to my life prior to being drafted, the army was easy. I loved it and made it a career. Being drafted was the best thing that ever happened to me. Patriotism had nothing to do with it. I don't think outside those who joined after Pearl Harbor or after 9-11, patriotism was further down the list of reasons one joined the military.

It's just I don't like someone to say one is unpatriotic only because they don't for the candidate one likes. Now I see you weren't saying that in a one size fits all. I also don't like those of one party always accusing the other as out to destroy America only because they are of a different party.

But I agree, we do agree on more than disagree. Now I always thought it highly hypocritical of those democrats who were around during Bill Clinton who defended his draft dodging to the hilt condemning Trump for his medical deferment. The same with those defending Trump who condemned Bill Clinton. That makes no sense to me.

Perhaps I'm a bit too rational for politics. Expecting folks to act the same under circumstances of basically the same regardless of what letter is behind their name.

I suppose that is irrelevant, you clarified yourself, I'm fine with that.

At Perotista: fair enough, brother. We're in agreement.